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If you're not following what's happening in Wisconsin, you should be
I don't have a strong opinion on unions one way or the other and I'm not a tin hat kinda guy, but the repercussions of what's happening in Wisconsin
could be devastating.
Wisconsin protests continue against 'union bashing'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/18/wisconsin-union-...
Wisconsin Gov. Walker Ginned Up Budget Shortfall To Undercut Worker Rights
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/wisconsin-gov-wal...
The Conservative Class War, Continued
http://www.thenation.com/article/158283/conservative-class-w...
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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“The worst possible outlook is indifference that says, ‘I can’t do anything about it; I’ll just get by,’”
http://www.thenation.com/article/158684/outrage-deficit
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The other part of the Scott Walker plan: Firesale of Wisconsin state assets
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/947954/-The-other-p...
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I can't imagine raising kids in this country. Has to be terrifying how much of a free fall we're in.
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I was just reading up on this.
My favorite bit is how the right tries to focus on one really absurd detail and make that their rallying cry. "They're making the tax payers fund a
benefit for erectile dysfunction pills!". Yeah.... well, they are entitled to health benefits even though they're public employees and most health
plans pay for those sorts of things. The tax payers aren't just funding boners like they're trying to suggest. It's almost implied that they're
funding the boners that the unions want to fuck everyone with. 
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trying to read up on this....been focusing too much on Libya. Shit is goin' down, worldwide
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Walker took office with a budget surplus, and deliberately gave that money away to special interests in order to try and force this union-busting
measure through. What a tool.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Johnny_Whistle
Walker took office with a budget surplus, and deliberately gave that money away to special interests in order to try and force this union-busting
measure through. What a tool. |
Exactly. From the second article linked above:
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In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state's budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a
balance of $121.4 million.
To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in
the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for
special-interest groups in January.
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Look the bad part is that they can divide the country by making the poor hate those unions simply by saying look at these greedy union workers. They
get all the benefits and health care and discounts and you simple non union people get shafted because you only make $10 an hour and are scrapping to
get by. It sucks all the way around. I hate that the unions are saying no to the BUT THAT IS OK TO RAISE THERE HEALTH CARE RATES AND PREMIUMS. THAT
FUCKS ALL OF US! Just because they can afford the coverage and they get much better pay. It fucks the non union guy even more. It is shitty no matter
how you look at it. I would like to support the Union man, but I am not union and I get nothing, but higher costs either way. Fuck them all.
Side note, I speculate "the man" has planned this shit out to a T. It is orchestrated. Corny, but how do you destroy a unified good of workers? By
making everyone envy/hate them.
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I speculate "the man" has planned this shit out to a T. |
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I speculate "the man" has planned this shit out to a T. |
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I know it sounds corny, but it is playing out all too well for the powers that be. Much more than ever before. Think early 80's when Regan broke down
the air traffic controllers union throughout the US. My father in law still doesn't understand what happened. He thought he was doing the right thing.
Now magnify that.
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I understand your point, Clevo, but the possible repercussions of the alternative are far worse.
| Quote: | Originally posted by clevohardcore
I speculate "the man" has planned this shit out to a T. |
Read this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/us/22koch.html?_r=2
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http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/onthedownload/archive/2011/02/22...
http://dyingscene.com/news/video-tim-mcilrath-rise-against-p...
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I think unions were a great thing when they first started way back when. Workers were treated like shit, and the unions gave them a voice, as well as
finally getting fair conditions for the working man. That being said, I think some unions have gotten way too greedy. Paying off union benefits damn
near bankrupted GM. There comes a point where it has to be capped. When I hear somebody working on an assembly line complain about only making $30+
an hour I get pissed off. How much money can these people, (auto industry more than anybody) complain about making such a great living, expect to
make? It's a job damn near anybody can do, you don't need to go to college, or do an apprenticeship, or any formal training. At least plumbers,
electricians, construction workers, etc, have to train and learn their trade. I have more sympathy for those unions, because you have to bust ass
before you can join.
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You fix everything by forcing 60 year olds off the assembly line and make room for the younger generations. Most everyone from 22 to 40 are having a
terrible time finding gainful full-filling employment because of those older who didn't manage money correctly or made terrible mistakes with it.
I also have one other surefire simple solution to this devastating issue. I ain't going to get into it, because it could piss some of you off without
a book being written by me explaining it. I do not have the time right now to explain it though, but boy it would fix our country immediately.
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The problem with the inevitable dismantling these public sector unions (I'd argue their worth vs. trade unions as discipline did) is that it sets a
precedent. Once they take away their bargaining right there's no stopping the hammer.
I don't believe for a minute that our government has our best interests at heart, so when the first palm gets greased by someone in the private sector
to start looking into trade unions, who do you think falls next?
Then there's no prevailing wages anywhere and the top .5% will hold the wealth instead of the top 1% and pretty soon everyones children will be in
battles to the death thunderdome style over greeter positions at Walmart and Target.
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^^^^^^^^ Look you place DKM near anything and I listen. That being said if you watch the RISE AGAINST dude singing Neil Young. There is a girl at 1:20
in the background of the front audience as the camera pans and the girls sign reads "SCREW US, AND WE MULTIPLY"
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I agree totally. The Union needs our support. No doubt. Also we need them to survive. I want to be in a Union. I want to be one of them receiving
benefits that they do. I need that for my family. I am tired of struggling and scrapping by. I am still in school part time and up to my eyeballs in
debt. I am working full-time at hospital and part-time and Police Department because I can't get in full time at the PD. The old guys don't want to
retire. It fucks me over bad.
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http://front.moveon.org/gov-walker-reveals-entire-union-bust...
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i've read some of the highlights, but don't think i'll be able to listen to the actual call.
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WALKER: An interesting idea that was brought up to me by my chief of staff, we won’t do it until tomorrow, is putting out an appeal to the Democratic
leader. I would be willing to sit down and talk to him, the assembly Democrat leader, plus the other two Republican leaders—talk, not negotiate and
listen to what they have to say if they will in turn—but I’ll only do it if all 14 of them will come back and sit down in the state assembly. They can
recess it… the reason for that, we’re verifying it this afternoon, legally, we believe, once they’ve gone into session, they don’t physically have to
be there. If they’re actually in session for that day, and they take a recess, the 19 Senate Republicans could then go into action and they’d have
quorum because it’s turned out that way. So we’re double checking that. If you heard I was going to talk to them that’s the only reason why. We’d only
do it if they came back to the capitol with all 14 of them. My sense is, hell. I’ll talk. If they want to yell at me for an hour, I’m used to that. I
can deal with that. But I’m not negotiating.
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I just listened to the highlights on youtube. That phone call should sink them and their stance against the unions. It would anyone else, but it wont.
I listen to conservative talk radio several times during the day and these lackeys are lobbying hard for those also listening. It's always the same
type of sap/ rhetoric calling in. "Unions are destroying this country."
We have a big protest going on in Columbus this week. They are trying to bust up teachers unions. It's fucking crazy. On the radio the talk show hosts
are getting ignorant bastards angry by playing supposed news reports of how "kids can't read" and the "Public school teachers are failing our
children. We need accountability." What are you going to do? Make teachers get paid based on merit? FUCK YOU! That system would fall apart. No one
would teach and no one would get into that line of work. You can't correct bad parenting by teaching 40 hours a week to 30 kids at a time. To kids
that have no positive motivation or structure in the home. You can try to make an impression but you can't hold a teacher accountable for 100 plus
students a day and making sure they get at least a C average.
Same with Police. They had a huge discussion on paying Officers based on merit and not by Union negotiations. That will open the floodgates of false
arrests, excessive force and the smart officers would quit. The assholes and shady fuckers would stay. Can you imagine Police getting commission for
merit? Everyone would get tickets for 5 miles over the speed limit, arrested or fined for every single bullshit excuse, not to mention the powers that
be would only promote those they like verses those that deserve.
I don't think Unions are perfect, but they work best for our country. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN AMERICA?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
I think unions were a great thing when they first started way back when. Workers were treated like shit, and the unions gave them a voice, as well as
finally getting fair conditions for the working man. That being said, I think some unions have gotten way too greedy. Paying off union benefits damn
near bankrupted GM. There comes a point where it has to be capped. When I hear somebody working on an assembly line complain about only making $30+
an hour I get pissed off. How much money can these people, (auto industry more than anybody) complain about making such a great living, expect to
make? It's a job damn near anybody can do, you don't need to go to college, or do an apprenticeship, or any formal training. At least plumbers,
electricians, construction workers, etc, have to train and learn their trade. I have more sympathy for those unions, because you have to bust ass
before you can join. |
Pretty much my thoughts on unions. Really haven't followed what's been going on in Wisconsin enough to have a legitimate opinion on it.
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the reason why the republicans want to break up the unions is because they are the single largest organization that (typically) supports the
democratic party.
it would be like the republicans not being able to rally church goers.
think about that for a minute.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BD
the reason why the republicans want to break up the unions is because they are the single largest organization that (typically) supports the
democratic party.
it would be like the republicans not being able to rally church goers.
think about that for a minute. |
More to the point, it'd be like the Republicans not being able to accept donations from the Koch brothers.
Here's the real kick in the nuts. The Reps are trying to bust the unions, meanwhile they just managed to put through the Supreme Court a ruling that
they can get an infinite amount of donation money from corporate interests because corporations are "people" with all the rights afforded to actual
individuals. So you've got individuals that make up the body of a corporation's board who can donate to a candidate, and then as a corporate entity
with all their business buddies they can do the same. And corporate interests are the shoveling cash to the guys that are willing to give them a
world without regulations.
The public sector unions are the largest unions right now. The trade unions have been in decline for sometime now. They are practically broken. And
frankly, the idea that the UAW was the biggest reason for GM's near bankruptcy is bullshit. GM went downhill because GM can come up with a viable idea
and competitive products to save their company. The UAW has been compromising on their benefits packages for years. If the public sector unions get
busted, especially with this idea that they aren't representing the working people of this country, then the trade unions follow swiftly. Without the
unions there's really no stopping these corporate entities from dropping wages and benefits to record lows. And the working man gets screwed in the
bargain because they've been conditioned to believe the union fucked them over, not the company, and now he's got to accept a drop in pay and benefits
to bring the jobs back from India and China. And they'll use some xenophobia bullshit to do it too.
At the end of the day we all get screwed if the unions get busted. Hell, the teacher's union gets busted you're going to have an awful lot of
disgruntled teachers out there and your kids get screwed. Nevermind that the fucking Repubs want to cut education, head start etc budgets anyway.
Perpetually.
And they've somehow managed to hornswaggle the middle American blue collars into thinking they are the Party of the common man. How fucking stupid are
we?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BD
the reason why the republicans want to break up the unions is because they are the single largest organization that (typically) supports the
democratic party.
it would be like the republicans not being able to rally church goers.
think about that for a minute. |
they also secretly (& sometimes openly) hate black people. Seriously.
there might be 5% of republicans that aren't deep seeded racists. Just sayin' it.....
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