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Quote: Originally posted by clevohardcore  | *NOT BEING A DICK*
Just simply asking this question. Isn't marriage supposed to be a union between a man and woman before God? Just saying. If you don't believe in God,
then why get married? I am not speaking about anyone on this board. In fact I got married in 2003, I wasn't sure of my beliefs at that point of my
life. So I am one of those I am speaking about.
Thing is, if you really are that serious about not believing, then why get married? To appease the lady? To appease the man? To appease your image?
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how can something be solely about a union in gods eyes when it requires a license?
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different strokes for different folks and the only time you will hear the words 'jesus Christ" mentioned at my wedding is when I get the catering
bill....
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but I am not looking to insult you guys, as I like you both a lot.
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| Quote: Originally posted by clevohardcore | *NOT BEING A DICK*
Just simply asking this question. Isn't marriage supposed to be a union between a man and woman before God? Just saying. If you don't believe in God,
then why get married? I am not speaking about anyone on this board. In fact I got married in 2003, I wasn't sure of my beliefs at that point of my
life. So I am one of those I am speaking about.
Thing is, if you really are that serious about not believing, then why get married? To appease the lady? To appease the man? To appease your image?
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Tax breaks, joint medical insurance, and all the other benefits.
That is why I think everyone should just get civil unions in the eyes of the government and religious institutions can have "marriage" but it holds as
much weight as baptism or a christening.
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would the church recognise the marriage of a Priest who wanted to marry an altar boy he sodomised?
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| Quote: Originally posted by JawnDiablo | different strokes for different folks and the only time you will hear the words 'jesus Christ" mentioned at my wedding is when I get the catering
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^^^^^^ *drum snare to hi-hat* 
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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And this is not a jab at you Clevo, as I was raised in an Irish Catholic household, but want nothing to do with it ever again, but how do the Catholic
Church have the stones to publicly denounce and condemn the actions of consenting gay adults, yet defend, cover up and ignore it when their priests
are raping alter boys? Shit here in Philly it just came out that they were high fiving each other in the seminary about how many preteen conquests
they had and comparing which boys were better than the others.....
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I just looked at what I just typed and it disgusts me even more now
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^^^^^^ Now come on bro. How many anti religious hilljack pieces of shit rape kids? It happens way more often. Never think for a second that I would
defend a child rapist. Every single one of them should be shot dead. No matter what they do for an occupation.
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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Dude I fully agree that it is completely wrong. Everywhere you look are in every single group are bad people. That is what you call evil. Its
everywhere. This is why some fight it with faith. Sometimes people get broken down by this evil to the point of no return, others persevere and fight
it.
I get it Jawn. I know where your coming from and I hate that as much as the next guy, but I won't let some perverted piece of shit take away my faith.
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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Good answer Clevo. I was wondering where you would go with the one. I am an atheist to the core, but I don't see all the horrible shit that has
happened with children in the Catholic church as a reflection on Catholics. I do however see it as a reflection on the Church because there have been
a great deal of cover ups and even the Pope himself has made serious light of the situation.
It is something that needs to be taken a lot more seriously and will remain a huge black eye on the Catholic church until it is.
All that being said, I agree that if you do have faith that it's not the type of thing that should take away from your faith.
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| Quote: Originally posted by BKT | Good answer Clevo. I was wondering where you would go with the one. I am an atheist to the core, but I don't see all the horrible shit that has
happened with children in the Catholic church as a reflection on Catholics. I do however see it as a reflection on the Church because there have been
a great deal of cover ups and even the Pope himself has made serious light of the situation.
It is something that needs to be taken a lot more seriously and will remain a huge black eye on the Catholic church until it is.
All that being said, I agree that if you do have faith that it's not the type of thing that should take away from your faith.
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The sad truth of that shit is that it's obviously not limited to the Catholic Church and it happens anywhere that there's an exchange of power.
Authority figures of any stripe, and in some cases it can seem kind of mundane by comparison. Yoga teachers that use their position to hook up with
students disgusts me, though it's obviously not on the same level as boy toucher priests.
I've heard plenty of stories of martial arts instructors taking advantage of students of a range of ages. Boy touchers and little girl touchers and
rapists included.
That shit needs a severe penalty, severe. Our penal system isn't nearly hard enough on those people... and often they are protected by the prison
system because it is well known that if those guys go into General Population, it's over.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaveMoral | | Quote: Originally posted by BKT | Good answer Clevo. I was wondering where you would go with the one. I am an atheist to the core, but I don't see all the horrible shit that has
happened with children in the Catholic church as a reflection on Catholics. I do however see it as a reflection on the Church because there have been
a great deal of cover ups and even the Pope himself has made serious light of the situation.
It is something that needs to be taken a lot more seriously and will remain a huge black eye on the Catholic church until it is.
All that being said, I agree that if you do have faith that it's not the type of thing that should take away from your faith.
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The sad truth of that shit is that it's obviously not limited to the Catholic Church and it happens anywhere that there's an exchange of power.
Authority figures of any stripe, and in some cases it can seem kind of mundane by comparison. Yoga teachers that use their position to hook up with
students disgusts me, though it's obviously not on the same level as boy toucher priests.
I've heard plenty of stories of martial arts instructors taking advantage of students of a range of ages. Boy touchers and little girl touchers and
rapists included.
That shit needs a severe penalty, severe. Our penal system isn't nearly hard enough on those people... and often they are protected by the prison
system because it is well known that if those guys go into General Population, it's over. |
Agree with you 100%
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According to a lot of stories, when it comes to child abuse the Krishna's/ISKCON are some of the top offenders.
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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what I wrote was no way directed at Clevo, his faith, or devout Catholics.
More so the church, the people running it, and how it is run.
the situation is rampant in this area, not sure if it is elsewhere.
that's all.
Don't take it as anything different.
Peace.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JawnDiablo | different strokes for different folks and the only time you will hear the words 'jesus Christ" mentioned at my wedding is when I get the catering
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I just have to say that this is fucking hilarious!
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Believe me, I know a guy that went ISKCON in the last couple years and I couldn't believe it. I know he knows JJ's stories about those crooks and more
to the point, he ought to know some of their child abuse stories.
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if you think being gay is evil, pervasive or wrong then women and blacks having rights is just down the corner and who knows what else, eeeesh....
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| Quote: Originally posted by Murk | | if you think being gay is evil, pervasive or wrong then women and blacks having rights is just down the corner and who knows what else, eeeesh....
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That sounds like a rather long stretch to me.
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I think the real lesson to be learned from this discussion is that having the nickname "Boner" is an insurmountable burden. As Henry David Thoreau
stated in Walden, "The twelve labors of Hercules where trifling in comparison with those which people named Boner have undertaken."
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I'm going to ponder that that one while drinking this Yuengling. So is Thoreau saying that any name that carries with it, a connotation, can be too
much to bear?
I figured the name Richard would be the most bad ass, but every Richard I ever new was not so bad ass.
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Not really. The same bible used to denounce homosexuality also allows for the ownership of slaves and states pretty clearly that women who wear
clothes made from two different threads should be stoned to death (not to mention what it has to say about wives being submissive to their husbands),
among other things.
I've always been of the opinion that, if your faith gives you comfort and inspires you to do good, then who am I to put you down about it? But if the
only reason you profess your religion is to feel superior to the heathens, then go fuck yourself, you're doing it wrong. And the only thing more
annoying than someone proselytizing about their religion is someone who proselytizes about not having one.
None of this is directed at anyone here, by the way. Those of you with faith seem to be pretty chill about it, and those of you without don't tend to
lord it over anyone who does (no pun intended  )
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| Quote: Originally posted by clevohardcore | I'm going to ponder that that one while drinking this Yuengling. So is Thoreau saying that any name that carries with it, a connotation, can be too
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Only Boners. There were three things Thoreau hated: slavery, taxes, and being nicknamed Boner.
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| Quote: Originally posted by clevohardcore |
^^^^^ I personally do not see being gay as a good idea. Last I checked bumping someone in the ass doesn't allow for procreation. I see it as a
perversion. I don't understand it. I am not gay. Do I fault others for it? No. I am not in the position and never will be to tell another what to do
with there lives. I feel God will forgive this. Being gay and I mean really feeling gay and not some fly by night perverted fling must be tough. It
must be difficult and complicated as a child to wrestle with the confusion and resentment some may have with it. As an adult it may bring challenges a
straight person will never face.
Who am I to judge others? I'm just a douche bag who lives in Ohio. |
Really Clevo? You think I'm a pervert because by no choice of my own I happen to be sexually attracted to men? I guess I thought you were smarter than
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Anyone that has any problem with homosexuality no matter what the reason can fuck off. Learn to mind your own business. And the ones that hide their
ignorance and reasons behind religion are even worse. Stop using your fables and archaic garbage to put down others and discriminate. You think its a
sin? Piss off. I think what you follow is a joke.
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