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Hardcore music today
Is it just me, or are there way too many bands out there these days. It seems there's a hundred new bands coming out every week. Too many labels now
too. I understand the need for labels to a point, but remember when not every fucking band was on label? They would just put their own shit out.
Now bands all seem to be on a label within a couple of months, with no real experience behind them
I rarely buy new music these days. I'm usually buying older shit I like that I didn't have, or I'm replacing old tapes/vinyl. I don't know how
people keep up with all the new shit. I see so many shows listed these days that don't have even one band I know or have at least heard of. When I
was younger I went to shows all the time but these days I really only go if it's a band(s) I really like. Is this cause I'm getting old or because
there's too many shitty bands out there. I really can't stand the hardcore "scene" much these days. Too much fashion, too much bullshit, too many
trends, not enough good music. I know this has been discussed on here before but it really seems to be bugging me these days. I saw an ad for punk
dolls called "scensters" or something in a magazine the other day and it made me want to puke. Kids wonder why the older people aren't getting into
the new style, they ought to take a look at what they think hardcore really is. Kids really need to check out the older bands and learn from it. I
laughed recently at an Agnostic Front show when I heard a kid call bands like Death Threat and Hatebreed "old School hardcore." This kid was bragging
about being into the old school hardcore but was talking about these bands. What the fuck?????!?????
Also, what the fuck are "scene points?"
I'm going to end this rant with the lyrics of a song I've been listening to a lot lately, "Is This How A Punk Song Goes?" by the Dayglo Abortions. It
makes me laugh because it's so true. To me, these guys are the definition of punk rock.
Is this how a punk song goes?
I'm asking you, like you should know
Cause I don't wanna blow another 20 years playing guitar
when I shoulda been modeling running shoes
Instead of bitching about big brother
I could've been selling you a brand new pair of Nikes
But I think I must have missed something cuz I don't know
what running shoes have to do with punk rock anyway
Is this how a punk song goes
I'm asking you cuz I'm dying to know
I guess it's no big deal I've been doing it this way
for 40 days and 40 nights
and rock and roll is a lot like sex
It's still a lot of fun even if your're not doing it right
Even though I'm not great at it, I sure get a lot of it
So I guess I'll stop complaining , crack a beer
and light a joint cuz I got a fucking gig tonight
Is this how a punk song goes
I'm asking you cause I'm dying to know
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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I completly agree. Is it really fair to say your band is on a lable just becuase your friend that cant play an instrument took the money he would have
spent on a guitar and put out your bands record insted? I mean any one with $500 to press a 7" can have a "record lable", but it takes alot more to
make something that matters!
I dont really like many 'new' bands at all. Even the new bands that I do like have members of older bands in them IE: Ramallah, allthough I wouldnt
consider BFB an old school hardcore band either. They are just older than most of the others around now.
I totally miss the days of afternoon matinee shows at Club Baby Head or the Channel or the Rat. How many of todays "Hardcore Kids" remember that The
Palladium used to be called E.M. Lowes and they would have "Cringe Productions Presets..." shows there every few weeks. Slapshot, Murphys Law, Sam
Black Church, Maelstrom, The Bosstons (before the Warped tour), Agnostic front, F.O.E., Endless, Dive, Arise, Said and Done, Biohazard (before Onyx
and Cypress Hill) etc etc etc...
and thats just MY old school as a 31 year old... I never got to see Negative FX or DYS or Black Flag or Minor Threat so maybe Im not old school
either... all I know is that DEATH THREAT and all the other more current bands are not old school! I dont care if people liek them or not (like I said
I dont care for many newer bands), but dont go spouting off that your old school becauyse you had the H2O 'GO' record before the Hazen street record
came out! Fucking Asshole kids.... god damn it I hate people!
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
RULE!
YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
YOUR FRIEND,
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I totally remember the Cringe days Honus!!!!!! wow you brought back some fond memories right there with Maelstrom and SBC, old tones and Slapshot,
TAANG bands of yesteryears. Did you ever make it up to Maine for any old Zootz shows, thats where I saw most of my "old school" stuff. By the way I'm
30 and grew up in Portland.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
Did you ever make it up to Maine for any old Zootz shows, thats where I saw most of my "old school" stuff. By the way I'm 30 and grew up in Portland.
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No unfortuantly I never really ventured much further than Boston or New Bedford (which seemed so far back then) for shows.
Some hilights I remember...
Raw Deal & The Icemen @ The Edge which was the place behind the Channel.
Biohazard & the Exploited @ Club Baby Head
H2O @ The Rat
Bane @ the Church in Harvard Square
Gorilal Biscuits @ Club Baby Head
DropDead (First Show Ever!) @ the RISD Tap Room
Insted @ Club Baby Head
Token Entry & The Bosstones (First Tour Ever!) @ Club Baby Head
D.R.I. @ The OLD Living Room
The Ramones @ The OLD Living Room
Circle Jerks @ The OLD Living Room
Primus @ Club Baby Head
Kreator & Biohazard @ Club Baby Head
Public Image Limited @ The Providence Performing Arts Center
wow... sorry I just went on a little rant and rattled on and on! SO many good shows back in the day and I bet there were less than a handfull of
fights at all those shows combined.
| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
YOUR FRIEND,
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i was in the troc here in philly for a show in the balcony last night. a friend of a friends band was playin. i was thinkin about all the shows ive
seen in there over the years....scary
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somewhere i have a bunch of tickets stubs from shows at the troc. but you're right... SO many shows there.
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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I am going to send you all a bunch of canes.
old fogeys haha
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I earned my cane with too many nights of dancing in the pit.
Dancing to good bands that didn't wear girlpants.
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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the troc use to get lots of cool shows, not so much anymore.
\"thank you very little\"
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My philosophy is "Honky Tonk is the new hardcore"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
My philosophy is "Honky Tonk is the OLD hardcore" |
The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, ?You know, I want to set those people over there on
fire, but I?m just not close enough to get the job done.? George Carlin
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I may be alone in this, but I dig some of the new Hardcore thats come out in recent years. Quick examples: Slumlords, Allegiance, Billyclub Sandwich,
Dominican Day Parade, and My Turn To Win.
I think things are getting better as I see a resurgence of the good shit. Alot of the bands that are here now, wont be around in a couple years.
Simply because most of them are in it for the wrong reasons (impressing their friends, etc..). But there are a lot of good bands playing good music
for all the right reasons and trying to keep things moving.
I think alot should be credited to the reunions too. I love how so many "older" bands are hitting up on reunions and basicaly showing these younger
cats how its done. Its a family, and its fun. It might not be so much anymore, but I used to really feel connected if I'm walking somewhere and I see
someone with a Hardcore shirt on. Or tatts all over his/her body. I still feel connected. I still love Hardcore. Without a doubt.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MyOwnWay
I may be alone in this, but I dig some of the new Hardcore thats come out in recent years. Quick examples: Slumlords, Allegiance, Billyclub Sandwich,
Dominican Day Parade, and My Turn To Win.
I think things are getting better as I see a resurgence of the good shit. Alot of the bands that are here now, wont be around in a couple years.
Simply because most of them are in it for the wrong reasons (impressing their friends, etc..). But there are a lot of good bands playing good music
for all the right reasons and trying to keep things moving.
I think alot should be credited to the reunions too. I love how so many "older" bands are hitting up on reunions and basicaly showing these younger
cats how its done. Its a family, and its fun. It might not be so much anymore, but I used to really feel connected if I'm walking somewhere and I see
someone with a Hardcore shirt on. Or tatts all over his/her body. I still feel connected. I still love Hardcore. Without a doubt.
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I understand what you mean about those bands, well...Slumlords anyway, I haven't really checked out any of
the others. BUT, I don't think those are the types of bands everybody is referring to. What little I do know about the rest of the
bands you mentioned is that they seem to be made up of people who have been around forever and still have the spirit of what Hard Core once was as
opposed to the 24th generation rehashes and rip offs who don't even understand the roots of the scene they claim to live and die for. I've avoided
posting in this thread because this is a topic that pisses me off greatly. I fucking LOATHE the new "hardcore" scene, bands and kids alike. There are
a very very few bands that pop up from time to time who are actually decent or (rarely) great, but there is so much bullshit with absolutely no
relation to what this thing started as and it fuckin' bites my ass to even try to talk to these people about it.
Veritas odium parit
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You know, I hate to piss on the old fart parade, but get over that shit. There's lots of shitty bands now, there were lots of shitty bands then. As
far as hardcore today, there are gay trends, but they'll die out. There are also a shitload of awesome bands coming out now; if you can't find them
then you aren't looking hard enough. Don't get me wrong, hardcore has a changed a bunch just since I've been involved. But I didn't sit in my room
listening to old lp's when in control or hoods or terror came to town. I went to those shows, and I'm happy I still go to shows and buy records and
support new shit. There are lots a fake fucks. Fuck the kids, love the music.
I just can\'t seem to STAND STILL
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Kill your idols, wisdom in chains, most precious blood, subzero all good new shit.
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pretty much the entire spook city lineup. Donnybrook, blacklisted, Ramallah, Your Mistake, Clenched Fist, just to name a few.
I just can\'t seem to STAND STILL
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| Quote: | Originally posted by GOLD GRILL
You know, I hate to piss on the old fart parade, but get over that shit. There's lots of shitty bands now, there were lots of shitty bands then. As
far as hardcore today, there are gay trends, but they'll die out. There are also a shitload of awesome bands coming out now; if you can't find them
then you aren't looking hard enough. Don't get me wrong, hardcore has a changed a bunch just since I've been involved. But I didn't sit in my room
listening to old lp's when in control or hoods or terror came to town. I went to those shows, and I'm happy I still go to shows and buy records and
support new shit. There are lots a fake fucks. Fuck the kids, love the music. |
Sorry man, I think the so
called "scene" today is a fuckin' joke. A bunch of whiny emo assholes who think they are old school because they bought the first AFI album when it
came out on repress the first time. Then you've got the tough guys who wanna fight you to prove that they're all about HAWD COWUH. Or how about the
new youth crew that is all about dressing in authentic 1988 era jockwear to show how far up Ray and Porcell's asses they are? Do I really need to keep
going here? The list is endless and the few bands that are actually doing anything worthwhile are so few and far between it's a constant struggle to
find out about them.
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by tireironsaintThe list is endless and the few bands that are actually doing anything worthwhile are so few and far
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I do see what you are saying for the most part. When I first started getting into Hardcore, late 80s early ninties, I had to find out about bands that
played shows around my way or from mix tapes I dubbed from friends. I still have songs from back then that I love and have no idea who sings them
because it was dubbed from their mix tape. What I'm saying is, its for the most part always been a struggle to find good bands. Granted back then most
bands I heard, I liked. Its not that way today. But I think because their are so many more bands, and so many "other" ways to hear bands and their
music. You dont have to rely on mix tapes anymore. And I honestly see it as a good thing. Keep the faith, and if you want new music to check out, make
a thread. I'm sure myself and most others would be happy to reccomend bands to you.
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. Or how about the new youth crew that is all about dressing in authentic 1988 era jockwear to show how far up Ray and Porcell's asses they
are?............classic...
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i still buy cds
i still go to a few shows
are things as fun for me as they were 10 years ago? no not really
every once in a while something cool comes up or comes out
if i dont like it, i wont listen to it
still plenty of good new stuff
still plenty of bad old stuff
and why in hell was Shelter even remotley popular?
that shit was gayer than a bag of dicks...as i steal the quote from one of you guys
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With the increased popularity of aggressive music over the past ten or fifteen years, we've seen substantial growth in not only the number of bands in
the scene, but also the number of related genres. If you made a family tree of aggressive music styles starting back in, say, 1980, you probably have
three or four genres to start (uk punk, la hardcore, etc), growing to hundreds today (punk, pop punk, squatter punk, new york hardcore, youth crew,
emo, screamo, metal core, black metal, etc, etc, etc.).
The fact of the matter is that there has always been a fair amount of overlap between these similarly-themed genres, its just that the breadth of
today's musical options makes the scene as we remember it seem more diluted than ever. This is an especially difficult pill to swallow for those like
me that have more specific tastes. I understand why the kids listen to some (not all, sorry dillinger) of the stuff they do, it's just that I don't
care for it.
After having been in the scene for about 10 years, hardcore started to play a less important role in my life (it wasn't out by any means, it just
wasn't the 100% it had been previously). I was pretty unenthuiastic about the current crop bands, so I spent more time engaging in other musical
persuits. But within a year or two, bands (some already old favorites) like BL13, DKM, Clutch, and especially The Hope Conspiracy started to pull me
back in (of course, working on Thorp helped, too). These days, I am just as enthuiastic about 'current' bands like Terror, Ramallah, Killing The
Dream, Slumlords, Death Before Dishonor, Blood For Blood and First Blood as I was Killing Time, Token Entry, Judge, Turning Point, Uniform Choice, and
Gorilla Biscuits back in the day. But ultimately, Gold Grill and The Saint are both right... there's a lot of crap (both music and trends) out there
today, but there is still a lot of good music, and I do think it is still worth working to find. Frankly, I'd rather have to sift through a bunch a
crap to find something good than to have there be no aggressive music at all.
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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Too Many labels giving too many crappy bands that no ones ever heard of untill the label starts hyping them a record deal. Hardly any band ever pays
their dues anymore, because the market is flooded with labels who will jump at the chance to sign the next big thing before another label gets the
chance.
So now you have a market saturated by sub-standard bands given opportunities to release a cd because everyone and their brother has a record label who
wants to rack up a catalogue.
Too many bands, not enough fans.
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Theres like this standard formula for the way the music is written for each genre Big D was talking about and theres 1000+ bands for each genre that
conform to this formula and then come up with a "hip" look and catchy name and then claims they arent concerned with the "look" or trend of it all,
but feed right into it. The good bands that are far and few between are the ones that try something new and dont stick to the formula or get involved
in the "look". Alot of people think it has to do with the older guys from the "scene" keeping it pure and real. I think thats bullshit and a perfect
example of this is Agnostic Fronts new album. They wrote a formula back in the day and have decided on this album to adopt a tired ass formula already
beaten into the ground. So "old school" cred is nothing. It's about the music being written, theres no more passion in "hardcore" it's all posturing
now. The good stuff stays hidden and hard to find because it dosent fit the "cool" formula, and I agree it's alot of fun to find those bands, the
hunt, the discovery and the familiarization with it.
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But again, opinions are like assholes...........we all got one.
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