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"The problem is communication.....too much communication."
-Homer Simpson
Well, its this place where nobody works, and the pigs don\'t give you any shit. Everyone smokes weed and gets drunk all day. Its a place where
cunts like me and you can truly take it easy and relax. Know what I mean?
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I'd rather listen to the Cranberries than AF. |
I'd rather listen to The Cranberries than 99.9% of any other music. And I'm very serious about that 
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Let's just face it... we're all at this weird point in our lives where hardcore sucks now. I'm not sure if it really has anything to do with the state
of the scene today as much as it does that we're growing up and raising kids some of us and damn it all... we don't have time for that shit. If we
were our age and raising kids 20 years ago in the hey day we'd probably have the same attitudes. It's too much goddamn work, and WAAAAY more work in
the days when the internet wasn't the main form of communication for youth culture. Seriously... remember when you had to search for new bands or go
to shows to hear a new band? Remember when you had to buy their demo tapes? That shit don't happen anymore... demos are on fuckin myspace and that
shit is saturated with 20 shitty ass hardcore/punk bands to each one good one.
How many fuckin people get the heart and soul of it anyways? Even the ones that are "down?" How many of these kids have always been on the outside of
the cliques and bullshit? You know... when I got into hardcore I was 17-18 years old and I'd always been on the outside of every clique and group in
school and certainly wasn't high on the income bracket... I didn't even fit in with the band geeks and smart dorks. Hardcore/punk felt like home, and
guess what? I was on the outside of damn near every clique in there too. Outcast amongst the outcast and all that shit. Hell, I'm still like that with
my co-religionists. Being a tattooed white Shi'a Muslim ain't all that cool in the Muslim world.
Goddamn, these faggots these days DON'T express much individuality at all. Posers and the cats who are "down" all the fucking same. "Poser" today
means people who don't have the right look and don't listen to the right bands amongst the bands that all sound like Hatebreed.
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Just to add my two cents....
Hardcore grows and evolves, just like punk. Right now it's in a strange place. I see a lot of bands really doing something carrying on what it should
be (in my eyes at least). It should be dancing, having a good time, tackling your friends, goofing off and enjoying being at a show since it's a
release from the day to day bullshit.
I see a lot of that shit still going in some places. I look at Wisdom in Chains as really going into a place where it seems like it came from. The
fact they are rocking Cock Sparrer covers and talking about punk makes me a happy man. Right now they are playing a lot of shit that feels like it's
coming from a different place then where a lot of bands are at the moment.
Another thing I think of is a lot of the Baltimore bands. Good times and a lot of goofy shit. Every time I see any of those bands its a good show and
usually ends up at a titty bar. That's what the whole thing is to me. Enjoying being a little off the beaten path but no matter what, you know what
you're into and you enjoy it. Granted, there are a lot of idiots but that's the nature of anything. I love BDSM just like I love punk/hardcore/oi but
I realize there are just as many pieces of trash as there are decent people.
Fuck, I remember when I was getting into it JNCO pants and those fat bead necklaces where the style. I was into more skinhead style at the time so I
found that odd but still, there was some stuff I found that I loved the fuck out of. As long as there is still something there I enjoy and find fun
in, I'm still into it.
A buddy of mine constantly bitches about younger kids in our area that hate punk/oi, only like hardcore and mosh like douchebags. I can see his point
since it periodically gets on my nerves but when it comes down to it, that's what the younger fellas are like. They have fun and start bands, book
shows and try their asses off. That's ok to me as well.
Is there a point? Fuck it. I guess it's all perspective in how you see things and what you grew up with. I remember talking about shows with a
gentleman from a band that's been around a while and he told me something that sticks in my head. That being, "as long as you have fun at a show, keep
going to shows."
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I've actually been finding some decent hardcore punk rock type bands, just the way ma used to make em. You have to put forth an effort, if you care
to, to find em, but there out there. The only band I can think of post 1995 that really got my attention in "the scene" is Blood for Blood of course,
and with it looking like they are dead and buried who knows what the future holds for hardcore. I'd rather listen to honky tonk, psycho, swing, spook
surf and even some non gay horror type punk bands. Oh and the car I got..........only sticker I put on it was BfB, couldn't resist. Every vehicle I
have owned has had a BfB sticker on it, tradition ya know?
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I want to read this thread but right now I don't have time.
Madonna rules. I miss the days when I could bitch about her being on MTV every hour.
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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My wife won tickets to see her at the Garden a few years back. We were in the
dance pit on the side of the stage. I just watched her in amazement!
One of the best live shows I've seen in quite sometime...
All praises due to Madonna!
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I don't like to complain about how hardcore "used to be good" or how it sucks now because it'll just make me feel old, and I havent been into this
stuff half as long as most of you. Lately... if the music moves me then I like it. That's about it. I try not to really care about labels.
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I think this thread has kind of spiraled into a hardcore ethics type debate which is almost impossible to quantify and depends greatly on your
emotional state at any given time multiplied by your age subtracted by the square root of somthing else...
Your belief in the hardcore attitude or lifestyle could very well never diminish regardless of scene popularity or bastardization...I think my
commentary was more of a musical one when I mentioned the going through the motions.
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I find myself listening to less and less hardcore these days. I still listen to the bands I love, but I'm not actively searching out bands these days
like I used to, and that's because I'm usually disappointed in what I find. Most of the new bands I'm checking out these days are punk and oi, or
psychobilly, or straight up rock bands.
I definitely agree with Boycott on several points, but in particular the point about there being way too many labels out there. It seems like there
are very few bands out there that aren't signed to a "label" of some kind. Of course, these labels usually end up being started by some dude with a
few bucks that is friends with a couple of bands. These "labels" put out one or two releases and then fade away after six months when their friend's
bands break up.
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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i could care less
as a wise man once said
it all gets the gay eventually
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It's been over for a long time now. That's not to say that the occasional band doesn't come along and play great HC, but it will NEVER be what it was.
I don't mean that it will just never be as good for me personally as it used to be, I mean that there is no way that bands can possibly come along now
and be as mind blowing and ground breaking as so many of them were back in the day. Not in this genre anyway. Seriously, who can ever come close to
recreating the feeling that Bad Brains created with their early records and performances? Who can ever take things to the next level like some of the
old Detroit bands like Negative Approach did? Who is creating a movement the way Minor Threat did? Who out there is going to inspire people in every
crowd that hears them to change their life in some way or to finally feel like they might actually belong to something that is bigger than themselves?
Nobody. Nobody is even trying to do anything like that anymore. All that most bands want to do now is get signed to the "cool label", sell a bunch of
versions of one or two records and move on to the next trend. It's not what it was and it never CAN be that again.
Veritas odium parit
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I think the last band to be relevant along the lines that Minor Threat was is Vegan Reich... and I don't particularly care what your slant on VR's
positions were or whatever... one thing they did that no one else did was single-handedly inspired TONS of kids to go vegan and/or vegetarian. That
set the stage for pretty much the entire 90s.
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Sorry dude, but Vegan Reich were assclowns.
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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Hardcore is a state in the punk rock nation, and like any state there are some cities you just don't want to visit.
Well, its this place where nobody works, and the pigs don\'t give you any shit. Everyone smokes weed and gets drunk all day. Its a place where
cunts like me and you can truly take it easy and relax. Know what I mean?
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Living in Vermont my whole life really makes it hard to be involved in the scene because there really isnt one here ( Well maybe in Burlington) so as
for my stance on the current state of hardcore its hard for me to make a good judgment because im so far from the scene. I do agree on the whole
jockish mentality alot of the newer people seem to have and I see a few people who were jocks in my highschool all into hardcore and it kinda pisses
me off. As well as hardcore bands who just growl into the mic . Its something I will NEVER like.For me punk/hardcore has always been something to keep
me going. I remember getting into punk back in 94 and just fell in love with it. There were acouple punks and skins in my area and we all hungout and
would goto shows in Burlington and just fuck off. I didnt get into punk because it was a trend like I think alot of the kids do today. It was a way
for me to be happy with being an outcast and be around others just like me. I wish things were still like that but things need to progress as does
music and im completly unsure of what the next "thing" in hardcore has in store for us.
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The Bad Vibes were the best thing in the hardcore jungle to hit the streets in Philly since I was a kid.
Regardless of whatever, that's the real deal to me.
To me, that feels like hard core.
Stuff like that is few and far between.
The attitude, music and stuff.
I'm speaking only in thought particles at the moment
Its been a fuckin shitty afternoon.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
Sorry dude, but Vegan Reich were assclowns. |
Regardless of what you think of them, they had a purpose in a climate that was distinctly against people being vegan in the hardcore/punk scene which
explains the uncompromising attitude and more importantly... there hasn't been a band as relevant as they were to making the kind of difference of
attitudes and creating a movement within hardcore/punk along the same lines as Minor Threat. The Hardline EP is the reason that vegan straight edge
exists to this day and has undeniably had as much an impact on the world of hardcore as did Minor Threat and straight edge.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by stateofdisgrace
I don't know if I'd go that far. There are some good bands out there making it memorable for others. I'd say the East Coast is dying. I mean, the
Superbowl is a prime example. We have to rehash bands and get reunions going just get folks to pay attention. The new breed of young kids look at all
this metaled up stuff and call it "hardcore."
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tireironsaint
It's been over for a long time now. That's not to say that the occasional band doesn't come along and play great HC, but it will NEVER be what it was.
I don't mean that it will just never be as good for me personally as it used to be, I mean that there is no way that bands can possibly come along now
and be as mind blowing and ground breaking as so many of them were back in the day. Not in this genre anyway. Seriously, who can ever come close to
recreating the feeling that Bad Brains created with their early records and performances? Who can ever take things to the next level like some of the
old Detroit bands like Negative Approach did? Who is creating a movement the way Minor Threat did? Who out there is going to inspire people in every
crowd that hears them to change their life in some way or to finally feel like they might actually belong to something that is bigger than themselves?
Nobody. Nobody is even trying to do anything like that anymore. All that most bands want to do now is get signed to the "cool label", sell a bunch of
versions of one or two records and move on to the next trend. It's not what it was and it never CAN be that again. |
People said the same thing about punk and, at least in Boston, punk is very alive with great bands that aren't just trying to get signed. No...you
can't really go back and do what Bad Brains or Minor Threat did but you can't live in the past and compare every band that comes along now to the
past. If you keep on doing that then of course it's gonna die, cause you're helping it. Not every band is out there trying to get signed. If you
never let go of the past, hardcore bands today will suffer for it. No one's looking for another Minor Threat cause it's been done. You just have to
find bands that are still trying and support them.
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That's kinda what I'm saying though, Joe. I'm not looking for someone to do what those bands did, they did it and noone else can. I'm just saying that
nobody is ever gonna take things to those levels in their own way anymore. Everything is just retread or watered down bullshit following trends.
Veritas odium parit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
Sorry dude, but Vegan Reich were assclowns. |
Regardless of what you think of them, they had a purpose in a climate that was distinctly against people being vegan in the hardcore/punk scene which
explains the uncompromising attitude and more importantly... there hasn't been a band as relevant as they were to making the kind of difference of
attitudes and creating a movement within hardcore/punk along the same lines as Minor Threat. The Hardline EP is the reason that vegan straight edge
exists to this day and has undeniably had as much an impact on the world of hardcore as did Minor Threat and straight edge. |
I'm not trying to start an argument here by any means, but I have to disagree. I don't think veganism has anywhere near the impact of Minor Threat
and sXe. The vegan contingent has never been a big thing, and I don't think it can even be compared to sXe because, while both are lifestyle choices,
they have nothing in common. One is choosing to abstain from intoxicants and substances that can alter ones mind and possibly destroy ones body.
Choosing whether or not to be vegan doesn't have the same impact. Eating steak and eggs with a glass of milk while wearing a leather jacket isn't
going to alter my mind or thinking process. Getting drunk and smoking dust on the other hand, will most definitely affect my mental facilities. One
is choice of living clean,sober, and alert, the other is a choice to not use animal products. I don't see a huge similarity.
The reason I take issue with Vegan Reich is for their statements comparing people eating meat to those who gassed jews in nazi death camps.
Statements like that don't prove devotion to one's cause, they show the complete ignorance of the person speaking it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tireironsaint
That's kinda what I'm saying though, Joe. I'm not looking for someone to do what those bands did, they did it and noone else can. I'm just saying that
nobody is ever gonna take things to those levels in their own way anymore. Everything is just retread or watered down bullshit following trends.
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i wasn't trying to pick you out of everyone to try and tear you a new one. you had the best general statement about it and so i used your comment to
spring board into the point i was trying to make. when i said "you" i meant people in general, not you specifically. sorry if that came out the
wrong way.
i still think it's possible to take things to those levels in their own way, just have to be patient though. i dunno. it's always hard to follow the
originators of a certain genre. cause then a lot of the times you just end up being a copy cat and such. it's rough for bands that aren't following
trends and are just doing it for the love of music. cause you also get lumped into the "doing it cause it's trendy now" category. it's a tricky
situation.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
Sorry dude, but Vegan Reich were assclowns. |
Regardless of what you think of them, they had a purpose in a climate that was distinctly against people being vegan in the hardcore/punk scene which
explains the uncompromising attitude and more importantly... there hasn't been a band as relevant as they were to making the kind of difference of
attitudes and creating a movement within hardcore/punk along the same lines as Minor Threat. The Hardline EP is the reason that vegan straight edge
exists to this day and has undeniably had as much an impact on the world of hardcore as did Minor Threat and straight edge. |
I'm not trying to start an argument here by any means, but I have to disagree. I don't think veganism has anywhere near the impact of Minor Threat
and sXe. The vegan contingent has never been a big thing, and I don't think it can even be compared to sXe because, while both are lifestyle choices,
they have nothing in common. One is choosing to abstain from intoxicants and substances that can alter ones mind and possibly destroy ones body.
Choosing whether or not to be vegan doesn't have the same impact. Eating steak and eggs with a glass of milk while wearing a leather jacket isn't
going to alter my mind or thinking process. Getting drunk and smoking dust on the other hand, will most definitely affect my mental facilities. One
is choice of living clean,sober, and alert, the other is a choice to not use animal products. I don't see a huge similarity.
The reason I take issue with Vegan Reich is for their statements comparing people eating meat to those who gassed jews in nazi death camps.
Statements like that don't prove devotion to one's cause, they show the complete ignorance of the person speaking it. |
i'm gonna have to agree with you on this one. especially cause i know a ton of vegans.
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they have dust in canada?
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