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| Quote: | Originally posted by ENDERA
My thought's exactly. I would'nt even go as far to say that they have any metal parts. They just have a heavier punk - fast - flowing sound - heavier
than what most people here like.
But whatever. People can be ignorant and write anything heavy off as being "metal influenced" and therefore not pure hardcore enough for them or
whatever... fuck it. We all like our own shit. It's when people constantly throw their opinions into the mix instead of saying a band sucks or has no
talent, they could just say that they don't feel it. I know thats the case with me for alot of shit.
I can like more than one thing here I think more people need to be more open to other forms of hardcore and not just stick to the old style anymore,
times are changing. Even years back when Madball said "its not 1982 anymore so you cant expect everything to sound the same as it did back then" that
still applies today.
While HC has been over run with bullshit. DB4DH are not one of those bullshit bands. Just look into the lyrics, its not like Bury Your Dead we're
talking about here.
Fuck...
They are all from other bands, bands that vary in style totally... from heavy to light. If they can appreciate this style why can't any of you
appreciate theres. Jesus...
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To reply to a few points you made:
I bought a DB4D album and my first thought was "metalcore" when I listened to it.
Just because something is "heavy" that doesn't necessarily make it good.
I can appreciate different styles, but I find the style of DB4D to be lame and overdone.
I don't like to think of myself as stuck in the past. I WANT to find new bands that are good. When Slumlords came out a few years ago I was fucking
thrilled to find a new band that was so good. I just don't understand why so many bans feel the need to jump on this particular bandwagon. I want to
see hardcore live on and prosper, I want to see lots of good bands come out. Unfortunately I don't see that happening.
As for their lyrical content, as previously mentioned, I bought one of their albums. As I listened to the Cookie Monster vocals I found myself
laughing at how bad they were. I found this band to be just one of a million Hatebreed-wannabe bands.
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Speaking of Slumlords & their early demise, hows Pulling Teeth doing there? Everyone seems to be digging them now. Makes me want to listen to Left
For Dead lol.
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
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I really don't see how anyone could say DB4D isn't metalcore... it is. It's just a wall of chug and that gets old so fast it ain't even funny.
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Pulling Teeh is awesome and just signed to Deathwish Inc and DBD is still not metalcore.
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I in no way think that just because something is heavy its good.. lol what the hell.
DB4DH a hatebreed wannabe band.. wow.
From the dude in DB4DH whos in Trust In Few, if you read what I put that they said, they are sick of generic chug chug mosh parts and shit... I
personally don't find that it's all that band and I tell you I've heard my share of boring generic mosh bands.
And lets get this straight, metalcore is like... as i lay dying/etid/norma jean/darkest hour/it dies today and shit. Basically, metal bands that have
breakdowns in their songs... thats about it. Death before dishonor are in no way like that because they are not metal! They don't have solos, crazy
guitar riffs, whiny vocals/higher pitched girl screaming style and they don't wear girls pants. 
Whatever I'm done with this. I don't aim to change what people think about them here.... I'm just saying what I know and what I've seen.
I'd never thought I'd see so much ignorance before on here.
Sorry fellas.
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I don't think its ignorance so much as apathy for something that's been done to death.
Now there's a band name "Done To Death". I don't get how one band can be better than another when they all sound pretty much identical, granted some
do it better than others.
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cunts like me and you can truly take it easy and relax. Know what I mean?
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Haha. While many bands bore me that are of very similar sound. Some just do it for me. These guys just have a nice flow to me and I get into it...
just do. So many bands now a days though that are heavy and whatever style for that matter, over done time and time again... I just stand there like
"well this sucks."
Especially punk-youth crew style hardcore. Most of the bands from this area all sound pretty much exactly the same. I fucking hate it.
Where as some time ago, you'd have a bunch of bands from the same city that all had a unique sound but were all part of the same scene. Such as NYHC.
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i never heard this band
ima listen now and tell youz what i thinks
you come at the king....you best not miss
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ENDERA.x
I in no way think that just because something is heavy its good.. lol what the hell.
DB4DH a hatebreed wannabe band.. wow.
From the dude in DB4DH whos in Trust In Few, if you read what I put that they said, they are sick of generic chug chug mosh parts and shit... I
personally don't find that it's all that band and I tell you I've heard my share of boring generic mosh bands.
And lets get this straight, metalcore is like... as i lay dying/etid/norma jean/darkest hour/it dies today and shit. Basically, metal bands that have
breakdowns in their songs... thats about it. Death before dishonor are in no way like that because they are not metal! They don't have solos, crazy
guitar riffs, whiny vocals/higher pitched girl screaming style and they don't wear girls pants.
Whatever I'm done with this. I don't aim to change what people think about them here.... I'm just saying what I know and what I've seen.
I'd never thought I'd see so much ignorance before on here.
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Crumbsuckers, Merauder, late 80's AF, etc. are considered metalcore. The original metalcore bands were hardcore bands adding some metal aspects to
their music, not metal bands adding hardcore elements. Those bands you mentioned are just shitty metal bands. I liked the bands that were the
original metalcore bands, the current day bands not so much.
I put DB4D in the same category as 100 Demons, and 1000 other bands. They all sound alike, I can't tell them apart. A whole bunch of chugga chugga
bands. It's the cool thing in hardcore these days. Try to sound heavy and brutal like a metal band, but call yourselves a hardcore band.
Simply my opinion, but I don't consider that ignorance. I call the opinion of somebody that's been listening to punk/hardcore/oi for a great number
of years. I know what I like, and what I don't. These current bands to me are the opposite of what the hardcore scene was supposed to be.
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this band seems faster than most of these type of bands which i guess is a good thing
i dunno
im old
im not interested anymore
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Who the fuck cares you fucks. If you like Death Beofre Dishonor then listen to them, and if not piss off.
Bunch of faggots on this shit.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by metal mulisha
Who the fuck cares you fucks. If you like Death Beofre Dishonor then listen to them, and if not piss off.
Bunch of faggots on this shit.
MM. |
people are giving this thing called "opinions"
perhaps you have heard of them
this is a message board
people talk about things on them
people express different "opinions"(there's that word again. look it up) on them
ill say to you if there is a bunch of "faggots" on here, then perhaps you should take your tough internet talk and go somewhere else as you seem to be
the only one on here who gets heated about all this stuff and stoops to second grade name calling
i have no problems with anyone who has a different view of something then i do
i have no problem with you even though i disagree with 95% of the shit you say on here
my only beef with you is that you are boring with your "tough" act and your "faggot" name calling shit
its old
you dont have to put on such a hard guy act on here
there's really no reason for it at all
you come at the king....you best not miss
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Yeah I agree with Vibes. The point of a messageboard is supposed to exchange thoughts, ideas and most notably opinions. Obviously when more than one
person is involved there is going to be a difference of opinion. And that's how it should be. Everyone shouldn't suck everyone off and agree with
eveything.
With that said...
Discipline-I totally get you mean that metalcore was founded by hardcore bands adding metal influence into their music. Bands like Integrity are
prime examples. But Merauder, All Out War, Integrity, etc., are much more metal influenced than DBD. And I'm with Enderra, I'm not trying to change
anyones opinion but while DBD have some chugga riffs they are a lot more influenced by hardcore.
And when it comes to metalcore it is so hard to have a rational discussion. Some people honestly do not know what it is. Most people think it is the
commercial brand of metal and hardcore ie As I Lay Dying, Atreyu, etc,. When it comes down to it, metalcore is the most broad term in all genres. It
can spawn so many sounds and styles. Everything from All Else Failed to the deathcore stuff like Waking The Cadaver is under the metalcore umbrella.
Hatebreed musically could go either hardcore or metalcore but to me I think the lyrics bring them more towards the hardcore spectrum and the same with
DBD.
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Hardcore and Metal in general are like wine. People laugh at wine connoisseurs who can tell the most subtle difference in taste between a $2000
bottle and a $500 bottle. Same with metalcore, metal, hardcore. Most if it sounds the same it seems but the ones who listen to it enough should be
able to seperate one band from the next.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Siczine.com
Hardcore and Metal in general are like wine. People laugh at wine connoisseurs who can tell the most subtle difference in taste between a $2000
bottle and a $500 bottle. Same with metalcore, metal, hardcore. Most if it sounds the same it seems but the ones who listen to it enough should be
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Exactly ^^ true.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
Crumbsuckers, Merauder, late 80's AF, etc. are considered metalcore. The original metalcore bands were hardcore bands adding some metal aspects to
their music, not metal bands adding hardcore elements. Those bands you mentioned are just shitty metal bands. I liked the bands that were the
original metalcore bands, the current day bands not so much.
I put DB4D in the same category as 100 Demons, and 1000 other bands. They all sound alike, I can't tell them apart. A whole bunch of chugga chugga
bands. It's the cool thing in hardcore these days. Try to sound heavy and brutal like a metal band, but call yourselves a hardcore band.
Simply my opinion, but I don't consider that ignorance. I call the opinion of somebody that's been listening to punk/hardcore/oi for a great number
of years. I know what I like, and what I don't. These current bands to me are the opposite of what the hardcore scene was supposed to be.
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Merauder are definetly very metal.
And yes, metalcore. Real metalcore though, metalcore can be defined as metal - with hardcore influence or hardcore with a metal infuence as far as I'm
concerned but if you can't tell 100 demons and death before dishonor apart then you need to listen more carefully in a more objective manner. I know
when it comes to electronic music I hate all of it and it all sounds pretty much the fucking same, but I don't know that much about it and everyone
swears that theres a difference. Hardly. And we both know anyone that listens to any "rock" with screaming/yelling vocals thinks it all sounds the
same. So really. All it takes is a more in tune listen.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Siczine.com
I think the lyrics bring them more towards the hardcore spectrum and the same with DBD. |
Yes, as we talked about before on what hardcore is to us. And I mentioned that to me, its not just a sound. It's more than that! It's about the going
out to the shows, the common-interest in a subculture we all can relate in that way. Etc... I'm not going to go into detail on this, but basically yes
- the lyrics are very important with a band and I know many do go unnoticed. Friendship, Unity. Dedication. Respect. Seriously...
Whatever! Yes we all like our different shit... we know this.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
Crumbsuckers, Merauder, late 80's AF, etc. are considered metalcore. The original metalcore bands were hardcore bands adding some metal aspects to
their music, not metal bands adding hardcore elements. Those bands you mentioned are just shitty metal bands. I liked the bands that were the
original metalcore bands, the current day bands not so much. |
Finally someone who has the same point of view on metalcore as me!! Merauder, AF, All Out War...fuck I said before Cro-Mags were metalcore with all
their killer metal riffs & shit haha.
Unearth, Darkest Hour and all those popular bands right now are metal with basically nothing core about it. Metalcore is over-used & mever accurate.
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
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No I would call Unearth metalcore...not only are they metal as fuck with some awesome breakdowns but you cant tell me they didnt come up in the
hardcore scene. They played Hellfest, when they started they played with just as much HC bands as they did metal. Shit if anything Unearth is the
epihany of modern metalcore.
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And Discipline are you going to tell me AF are metalcore rather than hardcore? I think if you told Roger Miret that he would have a hearty laugh at
that.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Siczine.com
No I would call Unearth metalcore...not only are they metal as fuck with some awesome breakdowns but you cant tell me they didnt come up in the
hardcore scene. They played Hellfest, when they started they played with just as much HC bands as they did metal. Shit if anything Unearth is the
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Unearth oh the eulogy days.
They are still a great band, awesome music but you know what. LIVE they aren't SHIT compared to what they were like 5 years ago.
They've become, \m/ mETALLL!
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Yeah you can tell they are different dudes now. I remember when Trevor (vocalist) had the cargo pants and short hair with the fade and shit now he's
like the stereotypical metal front man.
And I agree they were more nasty back in their Eulogy days but they are still nasty today. They've always had good showmanship haha.
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i think the 'what is metalcore' debate is actually becoming an annual tradition on this board!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by metal mulisha
Who the fuck cares you fucks. If you like Death Beofre Dishonor then listen to them, and if not piss off.
Bunch of faggots on this shit.
MM. |
people are giving this thing called "opinions"
perhaps you have heard of them
this is a message board
people talk about things on them
people express different "opinions"(there's that word again. look it up) on them
ill say to you if there is a bunch of "faggots" on here, then perhaps you should take your tough internet talk and go somewhere else as you seem to be
the only one on here who gets heated about all this stuff and stoops to second grade name calling
i have no problems with anyone who has a different view of something then i do
i have no problem with you even though i disagree with 95% of the shit you say on here
my only beef with you is that you are boring with your "tough" act and your "faggot" name calling shit
its old
you dont have to put on such a hard guy act on here
there's really no reason for it at all |
truth. as for arguing semantics about metal-core or whatever the fuck no thanks. hardcore is a fucking joke and I'd rather listen to hank williams.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Siczine.com
And Discipline are you going to tell me AF are metalcore rather than hardcore? I think if you told Roger Miret that he would have a hearty laugh at
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AF are a hardcore band, but their late 80's output helped define what became known as metalcore later on. It's also the stuff I like the least from
them.
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Whatever, I'm over it. Like them if you want, I still think DB4D sound like another generic band.
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