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| Quote: | Originally posted by clevohardcore
This is from that guy Ian Robinson from mtv and a dj somewhere...
?I recently read an article in A.P. magazine with the band Atreyu where one of their members said some really ignorant and stupid things. The kid's
name was Alex Varkatzas and he said, and I quote "I fucking hate Metallica-flat out, fuck Metallica, fuck Black Sabbath. I don't give a fuck about the
fucking "roots". Those aren't my roots, so I don't fucking care. Green Day was more important to me you know?". Now before any of you
internet-loving-wanna-bes start clamoring for my head, I'm not attacking this guy Alex's right to not like Black Sabbath or (early) Metallica and if
he wants to really put it out there that Green Day are more important than those two bands, that's also his right. My beef is with "Fuck Metallica and
Fuck Black Sabbath" and the "Those aren't my roots" claims. Now I don't know Alex, and based on his band I don't wanna know him, but he needs to
understand that without those two bands, there would be no Atreyu, no Bleeding Through, none of these types of bands. I met the Bleeding Through guys
and they seem to have a much clearer understanding of what the term "influences" really means and how their hybrid sound was influenced by bands like
AF, Cromags, Cryptic Slaughter, Void, Negative Approach and that all those bands listened to Black Sabbath, old Metallica and early Slayer, bringing
the feel of metal into punk rock and creating hardcore, which is basically a more violent form of late seventies punk rock. To say what he said shows
quite clearly why Atreyu and most other bands in the so-called "hardcore" world suck today-they don't even understand the genre they're playing in.
For those who don't know, Atreyu are one of the many bands that claim hardcore when really they just sound like average metal with some kid whining
over it. Bands like Atreyu, Bleeding Through, AFI, Avenged Sevenfold and the like always seemed to me like they were playing from the heart which I
always appreciated, I never thought they were any good but hey, at least they meant it. The problem is that these kids, with their hip fashions,
piercing and mall-esque scene are claiming to be from the same universe as the hardcore scene that shook up the world in the early to late eighties,
and that simply isn't true. Hardcore and punk have gone from something that spit in the face of the status quo, to becoming the status quo. Hardcore
is a scene now, a teenage right of passage that takes it's place amongst the trends of bobby socks, poodle skirts, hippy beads and tie dye, it means
nothing anymore in any relevant way and these kids are disrespecting it by writing bad metal and calling it hardcore. It's not just me, cause I'll be
honest, I got into hardcore at the tail end of the 80s, where it wasn't as underground but still honest and passionate, so I'm not Mr. Old School
either. That being said, I do have friends who've been there since the heyday and most of them hate what's become of hardcore and how all their hard
work has led to these snot nosed suburban brats turning what was once a thing of beauty into lunchroom theme music. Bands like Sick Of It all, AF,
Madball and others who are keeping the hardcore ideal alive aren't in the press or on MTV or Fuse, not like these hybrid fashionista bands are. So how
could true hardcore bands not be involved in the "growing hardcore scene" we always read about. Well it's simple, that's not hardcore, it's something
else, something that needs it's own identity, an identity far from the term "hardcore". The problem is that nobody has been forced to re-think this
genre because it's really easy to just call it hardcore and be done with it.. So in order to solve these problems, I have come up with a solution,
it's a radical one but it just might work. Let's have a National Moratorium for the term "Hardcore", let's bury it in a nice green field and let it
die with dignity. We'll have a huge funeral, invite all the legends of the genre to speak about it's influence in their lives and then slowly lower
the term and the genre into the ground where it will be at peace for all eternity. Once it's buried then these young kids can sit around and pow wow
over what to call it now. "Fashioncore", "Screamo", "Shit In A Blender", whatever they want. This will also help the future generations of music
lovers to see what real hardcore is as opposed to what it's become. When it comes to hardcore I want my grandkids to hear Cromags and AF, not Atreyu
and Thursday, I want them to know about Black Flag and Minor Threat not Avenge Sevenfold and AFI. Don't get wrong, there's nothing wrong with those
bands per say, I'm sure they are relevant and life saving to a large group of you out
there, but they are not hardcore, it's just that simple. So if we bury the term and idea of hardcore then the kids can have their own thing to build
on and it won't keep polluting the memory of one of the greatest musical movements of all time.
PS Atreyu were named for The Neverending Story, does that irritate anybody else besides me?? |
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John Bulldog
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Once I was at a show where the headliner was a band with make up and painted hair? to make it al worse the singer has pink hair!!! so there was only
one thing to do for me and that was to steal there beer from the backstage. Justice was served, no beer for fags!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by clevohardcore
I MISS IT.
I thought when KILL YOUR IDOLS came out I was blown away. I thought it may be the rebirth, but then I read there lyrics. Hahahah
No seriously I miss the sounds of straight up hardcore too
Old 7 seconds,Minopr threat,Negative approach (before my time).
AGNOSTIC FRONT late 80's liberty cause for alarm era. Cromags Killingtime etc. WHere are the bands that want to still play straight up hardcore? SICK
OF IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!MURPHYS LAW is one fucking band that is fucking still true. They
never changed. Maybe with best of times but that shit was still MURPHYS LAW. GO SEE MURPHYS LAW WHEN THEY PLAY WHERE EVER YOU MAY LIVE. SUPPORT
THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where you knew you were PUNK or HARDCORE or METAL whatever! Not punkcore or metalcore or whatever. |
yes murphys still kicks it...everyone should check em out once in their lifetime
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i'm not old enough to be able to complain in this thread. my brother tells me all the time the way it used to be in maine. at least you guys saw all
that it could be. unless the state of hardcore severely improves, i won't.
and i don't understand this. yeah, there are a lot of metalcore fruits. awful bands and kids that just want a band to have breakdowns to do "siq mosh"
to. but, there are also still bands around that are playing straight up hardcore. if there weren't, i wouldn't be at shows. and i am, every week.
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John Bulldog
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Lets give the fag metalcore another name, because when I think of metalcore I think about Cold as life, Merauder, All out war, Stigmata, Hatebreed,
Irate or Out 2 win. Or just make 2 groups Hardcore And fashion/fag/gay/down until I shit in my girl pants-core
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GabeTexasGAMC
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Quit yer whining.
Its out there you just have to look for it.
Hardcore is alive and well, it's just in the places you least expect it.
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John Bulldog
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Yeah just take a look at ?some kind of hate?, they blown me away last weekend en the weekend before that.
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BL
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I miss hardcore too... Whats is going on with all these froots?...
H8CORE'05 BRINGING IT BACK
CHEERS
BLC
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