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| Quote: | Originally posted by Six66Mike
Plus I love to see hundred's of CD's stacked on a shelf.
Trent Reznor just produced and sold some dude's shit in digital only and they sold a few thousand copies in mp3 etc. If bands offered say V2, V0 and
FLAC rips at different reasonable prices, along with high res PDF CD booklet's, people would probably give them more money than they do now.
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This might sound dumb, but what is FLAC?
I remember when Public Enemy put out the "There's a Poison Goin' On" record as a ZIP DISC before it was a CD, LP or even a download! I thought that
was pretty interesting and cool to see.
I definitly agree on thinking its cool to see hundreds of CDs stacked up. I think LPs are coolest, but CDs are a close second!!
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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FLAC is a lossless digital copy, whereas mp3 is compressed format. Wav is also lossless, the file sizes are much larger too. Then again it's only as
lossless as the final CD, and with loudness wars these days a lot of CD's are compressed through the ass right at the source.
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
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I read the article and although I agree with some of th points made in this thread I tend to agree with the loss of sales thing they are concerned
with. These bands don't make alot of money off of these albums to begin with, so when they lose crucial sales to downloading it only hurts them more.
Now before I end this I am guilty of doing this as much as any other, I buy alot of my CDs but won't run down a digital copy of something to listen
to. I have a few copies from people here that are awesome and much appreciated! I still plan to actually purchase the CDs of a few bands I have copies
of right now because I too love the whole package deal. On another quick note, Roger Miret is a very cool down to earth guy and has no pompous
scenester air about him at all as far as I know. I also agree that the way I found mopst bands i have listened to is from reading the thanks notes on
CDs I already owned. That is a quick way to find all kinds of new bands out there.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
I also agree that the way I found mopst bands i have listened to is from reading the thanks notes on CDs I already owned. That is a quick way to find
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Thats how I found the MISFITS, from listening to Metallica talk about them.
Thats how I found PUBLIC ENEMY from hearing Anthrax talk about them.
Thats how I found ANGEL WITCH, from hearing Dave Mustain talk about them....
okay.... Angel Witch did suck, but 2 out of 3 aint bad! 
| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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i did that too when i was 14
but its different now
myspace is the new cd liner notes
you come at the king....you best not miss
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
i did that too when i was 14
but its different now
myspace is the new cd liner notes |
Even though I don't agree with your hatred of YOT I have to agree on this. I found most of the bands that I listen to through VINYL linear notes not
CD's. Don't get me wrong I eventually went out and re-bought (mostly used) CD versions of vinyl/tape records that I had but I don't listen to hardly
any new music/bands or go to shows much anymore but I still have a thriving 'collection' of new music/bands that is for my personal use only. I
wouldn't of bought this stuff in the first place so no lost sale from me 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
Thats how I found PUBLIC ENEMY from hearing Anthrax talk about them.
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You know what's funny? I discovered Anthrax because Public Enemy did Bring The Noise with Anthrax on Apocalypse 91.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
i did that too when i was 14
but its different now
myspace is the new cd liner notes |
Instant gratification, there is no real hunt anymore. It's nice sometimes, but then you think, shit, these fucking kids don't have to work for shit
anymore, just point and click. I stopped using thanks notes because my collection was getting out of control and I did a stint in music rehab  As far as cassette, I held out as long as I could on buying any CDs, but then bands
just stopped making cassettes altogether and went straight to CD, it was hard for me to go along with that change. I was also the last motherfuckin
kid on my block to get an Ipod, I really wanted to avoid that thing, but now I LOVE IT!!!! Change is good........sometimes
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THat how all bands get moticed. It's a network. Maybe once in a while you'll discover something on your own but really, it's all about the word of
mouth.
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
i did that too when i was 14
but its different now
myspace is the new cd liner notes |
Instant gratification, there is no real hunt anymore. It's nice sometimes, but then you think, shit, these fucking kids don't have to work for shit
anymore, just point and click. I stopped using thanks notes because my collection was getting out of control and I did a stint in music rehab As far as cassette, I held out as long as I could on buying any CDs, but then bands
just stopped making cassettes altogether and went straight to CD, it was hard for me to go along with that change. I was also the last motherfuckin
kid on my block to get an Ipod, I really wanted to avoid that thing, but now I LOVE IT!!!! Change is good........sometimes |
I've had an Ipod for 2 years and just started using it....
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People that download entire albums illegaly, and do it often suck. Those are the fucks that take the shit because its "free". Thats what they're
bitching about. Nerds that sit at their computer look for a band and download their entire dicography. Sure thats great they are into the music. But
the fucking studio the band recorded in isnt free, the instruments werent free, the cost of the rehearsal space isnt free, the cost to tour blows...
Do you see where I'm going with this?
I came into Hardcore while people were making each other mix tapes. Thats how I found out about 95% of the music I listened too. But it was songs, not
entire albums. And if it was an entire album, I went out and bought the cassette (wasnt into cds yet). Most people dont do that. They take whats
"free" to them and leave the integrity behind.
Now. I will admit. I do download songs. if I hear about a band I'll jump on slsk and download a song or two to check it out. To me that is no
different than borrowing it from a friend. And I tell you all honestly, there is not a single band on my computer that I downloaded, and l loved, and
did NOT buy their disc. To me thats no different than checking a band on myspace or a smaple clip from the FYE website, whatever.
But there is a lot being lost from the whole experience when not buying the music. I love reading liner notes, and thank yous, and (I did this when I
was younger) listen to the record just staring at the album cover. Its an entire vibe thats getting lost. I think the "establishment" is taking shots
in the dark on how to legaly stop this because it is out of control. Sure, bands want their music out there. But when, lets say 500,000 people
download it from an illegal downloading source, thats a number lost in record sales that the band is owed for their work. Dont fucking kid yourselves.
It is about the money. Its their fucking music so it should be about the money. Let them get paid for the time and effort they put into it.
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maybe if they stopped charging so god damn much for cds people would be more likely to buy cds
i see part of downloading stuff as a reaction to record co. and their rediculous pricing
"you wanna charge me $20 for a cd? ok, fuck you i'll get it on my own"
i like that aspect of it
you come at the king....you best not miss
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MyOwnWay
People that download entire albums illegaly, and do it often suck. Those are the fucks that take the shit because its "free". Thats what they're
bitching about. Nerds that sit at their computer look for a band and download their entire dicography. Sure thats great they are into the music. But
the fucking studio the band recorded in isnt free, the instruments werent free, the cost of the rehearsal space isnt free, the cost to tour blows...
Do you see where I'm going with this?
I came into Hardcore while people were making each other mix tapes. Thats how I found out about 95% of the music I listened too. But it was songs, not
entire albums. And if it was an entire album, I went out and bought the cassette (wasnt into cds yet). Most people dont do that. They take whats
"free" to them and leave the integrity behind.
Now. I will admit. I do download songs. if I hear about a band I'll jump on slsk and download a song or two to check it out. To me that is no
different than borrowing it from a friend. And I tell you all honestly, there is not a single band on my computer that I downloaded, and l loved, and
did NOT buy their disc. To me thats no different than checking a band on myspace or a smaple clip from the FYE website, whatever.
But there is a lot being lost from the whole experience when not buying the music. I love reading liner notes, and thank yous, and (I did this when I
was younger) listen to the record just staring at the album cover. Its an entire vibe thats getting lost. I think the "establishment" is taking shots
in the dark on how to legaly stop this because it is out of control. Sure, bands want their music out there. But when, lets say 500,000 people
download it from an illegal downloading source, thats a number lost in record sales that the band is owed for their work. Dont fucking kid yourselves.
It is about the money. Its their fucking music so it should be about the money. Let them get paid for the time and effort they put into it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
| Quote: | Originally posted by MyOwnWay
People that download entire albums illegaly, and do it often suck. Those are the fucks that take the shit because its "free". Thats what they're
bitching about. Nerds that sit at their computer look for a band and download their entire dicography. Sure thats great they are into the music. But
the fucking studio the band recorded in isnt free, the instruments werent free, the cost of the rehearsal space isnt free, the cost to tour blows...
Do you see where I'm going with this?
I came into Hardcore while people were making each other mix tapes. Thats how I found out about 95% of the music I listened too. But it was songs, not
entire albums. And if it was an entire album, I went out and bought the cassette (wasnt into cds yet). Most people dont do that. They take whats
"free" to them and leave the integrity behind.
Now. I will admit. I do download songs. if I hear about a band I'll jump on slsk and download a song or two to check it out. To me that is no
different than borrowing it from a friend. And I tell you all honestly, there is not a single band on my computer that I downloaded, and l loved, and
did NOT buy their disc. To me thats no different than checking a band on myspace or a smaple clip from the FYE website, whatever.
But there is a lot being lost from the whole experience when not buying the music. I love reading liner notes, and thank yous, and (I did this when I
was younger) listen to the record just staring at the album cover. Its an entire vibe thats getting lost. I think the "establishment" is taking shots
in the dark on how to legaly stop this because it is out of control. Sure, bands want their music out there. But when, lets say 500,000 people
download it from an illegal downloading source, thats a number lost in record sales that the band is owed for their work. Dont fucking kid yourselves.
It is about the money. Its their fucking music so it should be about the money. Let them get paid for the time and effort they put into it.
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90% of bands suck. Stealing albums is the publics last method of inadvertantly protesting the exponential and mediocre growth of the music industry
because of the internet.
While the internet is a much more vast entitity than tape trading...I'm sure pound for pound a comparable amount of people dubbed copies of Black Flag
albums as people who have downloaded Ignite albums. Did Black Flag complain about it? Maybe...but thats life...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jason the Magnificent
| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
| Quote: | Originally posted by MyOwnWay
People that download entire albums illegaly, and do it often suck. Those are the fucks that take the shit because its "free". Thats what they're
bitching about. Nerds that sit at their computer look for a band and download their entire dicography. Sure thats great they are into the music. But
the fucking studio the band recorded in isnt free, the instruments werent free, the cost of the rehearsal space isnt free, the cost to tour blows...
Do you see where I'm going with this?
I came into Hardcore while people were making each other mix tapes. Thats how I found out about 95% of the music I listened too. But it was songs, not
entire albums. And if it was an entire album, I went out and bought the cassette (wasnt into cds yet). Most people dont do that. They take whats
"free" to them and leave the integrity behind.
Now. I will admit. I do download songs. if I hear about a band I'll jump on slsk and download a song or two to check it out. To me that is no
different than borrowing it from a friend. And I tell you all honestly, there is not a single band on my computer that I downloaded, and l loved, and
did NOT buy their disc. To me thats no different than checking a band on myspace or a smaple clip from the FYE website, whatever.
But there is a lot being lost from the whole experience when not buying the music. I love reading liner notes, and thank yous, and (I did this when I
was younger) listen to the record just staring at the album cover. Its an entire vibe thats getting lost. I think the "establishment" is taking shots
in the dark on how to legaly stop this because it is out of control. Sure, bands want their music out there. But when, lets say 500,000 people
download it from an illegal downloading source, thats a number lost in record sales that the band is owed for their work. Dont fucking kid yourselves.
It is about the money. Its their fucking music so it should be about the money. Let them get paid for the time and effort they put into it.
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Agreed. |
90% of bands suck. Stealing albums is the publics last method of inadvertantly protesting the exponential and mediocre growth of the music industry
because of the internet.
While the internet is a much more vast entitity than tape trading...I'm sure pound for pound a comparable amount of people dubbed copies of Black Flag
albums as people who have downloaded Ignite albums. Did Black Flag complain about it? Maybe...but thats life... |
+1
I can record/mix/edit an entire professionally sounding record 'sitting in front of my PC' with software that probably cost me about .05 cents which
anybody can get access to if they know how and digitally distribute my music via the interweb for free effectively cutting out the middle man
(expensive studio time, contracts, etc.) and just get my music to the people which is the end goal isn't it? I don't have to worry about some label
owning my music or have to rely on them to distribute my music. Sure labels are nice for tour/merch support but I'm not going on tour anytime soon or
even going to any shows so what ever you say about DLing isn't going to persuade me to stop. It hasn't cheapened my music experience it's made my
life ALL the better while saving me millions of $$$ over the years.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
RULE!
YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
YOUR FRIEND,
PAULIE |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MyOwnWay
Now. I will admit. I do download songs. if I hear about a band I'll jump on slsk and download a song or two to check it out. To me that is no
different than borrowing it from a friend. And I tell you all honestly, there is not a single band on my computer that I downloaded, and l loved, and
did NOT buy their disc. To me thats no different than checking a band on myspace or a smaple clip from the FYE website, whatever.
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Shit with MySpace you don't even have to download a song to hear/see if you like it.
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I download full albums only, and when I like something and keep listening to it, I buy it. I don't buy CD's without hearing the album, so many one
hit wonders and bad records these days. You used to buy a whole record and it was stacked start to finish. Now lucky if you like 2 songs from the
whole thing.
But the fact is I still buy & go to shows, buy shirts etc even though I don't really have the money to do it.
What I really hate though is people now leeching these lossless FLAC with cue sheets etc and burning them for archival purposes...who's fucking
archive? I would archive MY OWN ALBUMS that I have purchased, but I will never get a FLAC as a CD replacement. Mp3 in good quality to try, CD if
it's good enough to buy.
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Six66Mike
I download full albums only, and when I like something and keep listening to it, I buy it. I don't buy CD's without hearing the album, so many one
hit wonders and bad records these days. You used to buy a whole record and it was stacked start to finish. Now lucky if you like 2 songs from the
whole thing.
But the fact is I still buy & go to shows, buy shirts etc even though I don't really have the money to do it.
What I really hate though is people now leeching these lossless FLAC with cue sheets etc and burning them for archival purposes...who's fucking
archive? I would archive MY OWN ALBUMS that I have purchased, but I will never get a FLAC as a CD replacement. Mp3 in good quality to try, CD if
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My wife and I went to see The Police a little while back and paid $35 for a shirt 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MikeCore
| Quote: | Originally posted by Six66Mike
I download full albums only, and when I like something and keep listening to it, I buy it. I don't buy CD's without hearing the album, so many one
hit wonders and bad records these days. You used to buy a whole record and it was stacked start to finish. Now lucky if you like 2 songs from the
whole thing.
But the fact is I still buy & go to shows, buy shirts etc even though I don't really have the money to do it.
What I really hate though is people now leeching these lossless FLAC with cue sheets etc and burning them for archival purposes...who's fucking
archive? I would archive MY OWN ALBUMS that I have purchased, but I will never get a FLAC as a CD replacement. Mp3 in good quality to try, CD if
it's good enough to buy. |
My wife and I went to see The Police a little while back and paid $35 for a shirt |
I know I would own a lot more metal shirts if the Euro bands didn't charge $35 for a T shirt or $50+ for hoodies or long sleeve shirts.
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
- Paul Morris, music director at 97.7 HTZ-FM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MikeCore
My wife and I went to see The Police a little while back and paid $35 for a shirt |
Merch prices are WAY more out of line than CD prices...
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
RULE!
YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
YOUR FRIEND,
PAULIE |
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Those that know me, are aware I love to debate. So nothing I say is to be deemed offensive. I respect everyones opinions. And am cool with those on
here (as cool as you can be with people on a messageboard you've never met). But like I said, I love to debate.
Now... I disagree with the "sticking it to the man" theory. We are all aware corporate labels and chain stores charge way more than they should. They
backed themselves into a corner on that one. But robbing the artists of their sales isnt a fair protest. For the time people take to download songs
they could be writing a letter, sending an email, making a phone call, to chain stores or the corporate labels themselves. When people speak out thats
when change comes. You may think its cornyer to take those actions, but thats how I feel about the actions of downloading in that context.
Now to those who say about home recording. Personaly. I think that idea and the follow thru, rules. If more bands could do it, its a very inexpensive
way (overall) to get your music out there. The problem with that is not everyone is computer savvy. Nor have the ability to take the time to learn
such programs. That idea is only going to apply to talented people who can devote their time to doing it. Which is not the majority of bands.
Downloading other peoples hard work that they've already put into it, isnt justifying anything.
Merch prices are absolutely ridiculous. Most times it has nothing to do with the band. Its the merch company doing it (for big acts). For smaller
ones, I think they typicaly reasonable. Although I have seen exceptions.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
| Quote: | Originally posted by MikeCore
My wife and I went to see The Police a little while back and paid $35 for a shirt |
Merch prices are WAY more out of line than CD prices... |
Which is a direct result of bands getting ass fucked in contracts, with 99.9% of their record sales lining the pockets of label CEOs. Merch is the
only way to make money.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
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My wife and I went to see The Police a little while back and paid $35 for a shirt |
Merch prices are WAY more out of line than CD prices... |
Which is a direct result of bands getting ass fucked in contracts, with 99.9% of their record sales lining the pockets of label CEOs. Merch is the
only way to make money. |
I agree, but when we all know that a VERY small band can print up 25 shirts and only pay $4 each it means they can sell them for $10 or $15 and make a
good profit while still selling them at a fair price. What I dont like and refuse to understand even though its been explained to me is when a shirt
is $25... $35 or more! What the fuck makes a hoodie worth $75!?!?
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
RULE!
YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
YOUR FRIEND,
PAULIE |
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Bands should have a paypal set up so if you don't wanna support their RIAA backed label you can download an illegal copy and donate the band money
directly
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
- Paul Morris, music director at 97.7 HTZ-FM
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