Bands like Ramallah

Six66Mike - 5-11-2009 at 06:08 AM

I've been listening to a lot of hardcore and punk lately with a message, bands that stood for something. Propagandhi, Strife, Snapcase, Ramallah. Bands who were pissed off, tried to get people to change or see the world in a different way and I've been in a really pissed off mood a lot lately.

So, what bands have a message that means something these days along with the pure bitter hatred and rage in the music like Ramallah? Just fierce pissed off music that will make me want to firebomb an embassy or something.

I'm sick to death of this meaningless shit I hear these days, lyrics about nothing. My life is heavily influenced by the music & lyrics I grew up on in the 90's and I don't get that in most of today's music. So I'm looking in the wrong places because in these times that rage just hasn't gone away.

REV.PAULIE - 5-11-2009 at 06:40 AM

i never spent any time with RAMALLLAH,BFB.or any bands that people SWEAT so much...i say "good for them,and i hope they can make "the living dream" of playing music that means the world to them....

but- not for nothin' - a lot of the "leadERS" - MYSELF INCLUDED - were nothing but a couple of glorified FUCK UPS that got half-way lucky,and pissed away anything that could've been "beneficial"...

we all have our own wacked-out skeletons in the closet - AND.I MEAN ALL OF US ! - so to mark - don't think for one god-damned second,that your brother was one step ahead of ANYONE....he fucked up,just as we all did...he just left it to others to explain "why"...because HE DIDN'T CARE AFTER A WHILE...i don't slight him,for this...not at all...but,that's what happened...his band members did not,could not,and would not understand exactly where he was coming from...WELCOME TO MY WORLD,NIGGA!!!!

his band members are not to blame for any "misunderstandings",nor are they to blame for any fallacies...

it's all about the man that puts it out there FROM THE BEGINNING to back his shit up - past,present,or future - and NOT expect,nor TRUST anyone with what was written,wrote,nor sung...

nobody told rob to be the person that he's perceived as...and no one told him to persue it.

i hope he's doing well.

honestly.

but,no quarter will be given over words spilled so haphazrdly.

- paulie

Six66Mike - 5-11-2009 at 08:14 AM

How does this help me out Paulie? :smilegrin:

clevohardcore - 5-11-2009 at 01:20 PM

BRIGHT EYES. SIGUR ROS.

REV.PAULIE - 5-11-2009 at 02:39 PM

wow...that's what gin does!
i forgot...

help yourself,and stop blaming music.

as for "bright eyes" - nigga,please...that little bitch is more over-rated than lou reed,elliot smith,and ryan adams in a three-way.

moron - 5-11-2009 at 02:39 PM

I haven't really been paying much attention to music lately so I couldn't tell you which newer bands to look into, but I think the last band that was pissed off and had a message I paid attention to was Paint it Black. That first album is fucking great. Haven't listened to the newest album, and didn't listen to their second album much either.

Now I've just been listening to sports radio and the metal station on SIRIUS. Definitely out of touch with current music.

panzerkreuzer - 5-11-2009 at 03:02 PM

most precious blood
think i care
nay sayer - most pissed off band i heard for a long time.

bombidol - 5-11-2009 at 03:09 PM

Most Precious Blood for sure. Savage band

Mark Lind - 5-11-2009 at 04:34 PM

Slayer?

BKT - 5-11-2009 at 05:31 PM

Wisdom in Chains, Boxcutter.

MM.

SS76 - 5-11-2009 at 05:50 PM

Irate, Bulldog Courage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ml7p_aycXQ

Favorite Irate song, haven't really listened to them in a couple years.

SS76 - 5-11-2009 at 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by panzerkreuzer

nay sayer - most pissed off band i heard for a long time.

Agreed. Just checked them out today because of your post...great band.

random - 5-11-2009 at 08:10 PM

this nay sayer? http://www.myspace.com/naysayerichmond

i checked them out since shootingscars is on the lind music cock even more than me, but i'm not so impressed. for one, it helps to understand the political lyrics.

that being said, ramallah was a welcome bit of fresh air in hardcore at a time when i couldn't have cared less... even if it does utilize metal a bit too much.

shit's great. i don't see anything competing until paulie or rob want to out-do it, and they both seem content not caring.

and i'm the dork that would love a paulie/rob split acoustic album. how fucking ironic would it be for the hardcore album of the year to be acoustic!

JawnDiablo - 5-11-2009 at 08:29 PM

I don't buy most bands "anger" for a minute these days.
like someone said above, to the affect of what are they even angry about?
I don't even want to be angry anymore, but I can't help it.
So anymore, I'm just not as interested in the angry thing.
I rather hear somethin else.
I think alot of the angry stuff was kinda misconstrued back in the day.
Sheer Terror for example.
While, Paul had in my opinion the best voice in the genre, there's just alot more emotions than the anger that is more easily indentified in ST's material.
I think I went off topic here.
That being said, I need a beer.

SS76 - 5-11-2009 at 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by random
i don't see anything competing until paulie or rob want to out-do it, and they both seem content not caring.

I'd be happy with even an acoustic album too. But happy like getting a hamburger when you know they could cook you a steak.

gavin - 5-11-2009 at 08:41 PM

i for one dont wanna hear politics from anyone

JawnDiablo - 5-11-2009 at 08:43 PM

^I'll second what he said.....

Discipline - 5-11-2009 at 08:44 PM

Jello Biafra with the Melvins is definitely worth checking out.

random - 5-11-2009 at 08:48 PM

i LOVE ramallah oh both a musical and a lyrical level

SS76 - 5-11-2009 at 09:36 PM

Political shit (topics that have an effect on the rest of the world, to me) coming from an intelligent musician who likes to party and has some nihilistic views is one of the only times its OK. I can at least relate to that guy. From a politician, not even close to worth my time. I sure as fuck can't relate to him. I don't mind hearing some music that makes me think versus me,me,me shit, fightin, fuckin, pretty much reality TV at a music level. The whole keepin it real mentality. Which I don't mind either. But goddamn, Jello does know his shit.

DaveMoral - 5-11-2009 at 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juandiablo
I don't buy most bands "anger" for a minute these days.
like someone said above, to the affect of what are they even angry about?
I don't even want to be angry anymore, but I can't help it.
So anymore, I'm just not as interested in the angry thing.
I rather hear somethin else.
I think alot of the angry stuff was kinda misconstrued back in the day.
Sheer Terror for example.
While, Paul had in my opinion the best voice in the genre, there's just alot more emotions than the anger that is more easily indentified in ST's material.
I think I went off topic here.
That being said, I need a beer.

I find I'm looking for more positive hardcore lately. Don't know why.... just wanna have fun I guess.

There's enough to be pissed off about without listening to music to fuel it all the time.

Discipline - 5-11-2009 at 10:35 PM

Pissed off music cheers me up.

necrobutcher - 5-11-2009 at 11:39 PM

If I ever start a band or anything like that, I came to the conclusion I would write a song called, "Can't Be Pissed."

The more I look around and think about it, the less I feel like I have any real reason to be terribly angry about where I stand.

The rest of the world, politically speaking, I hate to say it but I have gotten use to seeing people do horrible shit to one another for assorted and usually idiotic reasons.

Read the Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang. I don't know how much worse it could get.

Sooner or later, the planet or whatever holy being(s) people choose to worship will be hitting the reset button on humanity.

barc0debaby - 5-12-2009 at 01:01 AM

I typed up a rant and closed the browser without paying any attention. Son of a bitch.

gavin - 5-12-2009 at 02:01 AM

the whole concept of "positive hardcore" is just silly to me

mattybar - 5-12-2009 at 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by necrobutcher
Read the Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang.

as it happens there's a band called Unit 731 who's name is inspired by the atrocities at Nanking.
American band I think.
I haven't heard them myself but a Euro label put em out recently.

Six66Mike - 5-12-2009 at 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Discipline
Pissed off music cheers me up.

Exactly

But I don't just want the usual pissed off hardcore, I wanna hear something with a message I can relate to and something new. Boxcutter, Irate, Most Precious Blood etc are all good suggestions but not new bands. Nay Sayer is a good one, I remember hearing one track so I'm gonna check them out again.

Jason the Magnificent - 5-12-2009 at 07:10 AM

http://www.myspace.com/mumakil

bombidol - 5-12-2009 at 07:37 AM

Ramallah is instant gratification music. Literally from the second any song starts its fucking full on. No build up bullshit. I personally think Kill A Celebrity is one of the best albums Ive heard in years.

As far as bands that sound like them, they are few and far between and I like it like that.

panzerkreuzer - 5-12-2009 at 08:53 AM

www.myspace.com/humandemise
not well known, but they do this clevo thing very good and live they are pure hatred.

Mark Lind - 5-12-2009 at 03:00 PM

I consider Madball to be positive hardcore of sorts. Their lyrics are uplifting and positive but their music is hard and angry. They make me feel good when I listen to them.

It's tough to find bands that sound like another. Bands can copy other bands' sounds or just coincidentally sound similar but it's really hard to re-capture the essence of a band and what makes them great. So you're usually chasing shadows when you try to find a similar sounding band.

For example, 5 years ago there were 10,000 bands saying they sounded like the Rolling stones. None of them did. The only other act I've stumbled upon that captured what The Stones did well was the first 4 albums by Rod Stewart and his work with the Faces. Every other act that claimed similarities were just aping a sound but missed the whole point.

On a side note, Rob is gonna sing on the new recording by The Unloved. Which means he will have to set foot in the Outpost. Which means he will have to talk to Jim. Which could potentially lead to some sort of recording project. Who knows?

BDx13 - 5-12-2009 at 03:22 PM

+1 to Mark for the first Rod Stewart mention on this board ever.
-1 to Mark for setting off what is sure to be a wildfire of replies about Rob recording something.

(kidding about the -1 thing, of course. everyone will be stoked to hear that your brother is entering the studio. as always, give him our best.)

DaveMoral - 5-12-2009 at 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Lind
I consider Madball to be positive hardcore of sorts. Their lyrics are uplifting and positive but their music is hard and angry. They make me feel good when I listen to them.

It's tough to find bands that sound like another. Bands can copy other bands' sounds or just coincidentally sound similar but it's really hard to re-capture the essence of a band and what makes them great. So you're usually chasing shadows when you try to find a similar sounding band.

For example, 5 years ago there were 10,000 bands saying they sounded like the Rolling stones. None of them did. The only other act I've stumbled upon that captured what The Stones did well was the first 4 albums by Rod Stewart and his work with the Faces. Every other act that claimed similarities were just aping a sound but missed the whole point.

On a side note, Rob is gonna sing on the new recording by The Unloved. Which means he will have to set foot in the Outpost. Which means he will have to talk to Jim. Which could potentially lead to some sort of recording project. Who knows?

I agree. Madball is feel good music, especially when it comes down to talking about family and family being what matters... especially in the hard times. Nuestra Familia is probably my favorite track by them.

gavin - 5-12-2009 at 03:43 PM

the faces are better than any hardcore band ever

Six66Mike - 6-24-2009 at 07:06 AM

Still need more bands on the lyrical level of Ramallah, now I don't care if they are new or old. I'm still listening to Ramallah & Propagandhi daily along with some other stuff. With all the Iran propaganda floating around on the news now & Israel expanding it's West Bank settlements even more and 0 media attention to this illegal land grab spitting in the face of the UN, USA & Palestinians, the lyric of bands like this keep me from stopping in the middle of the city and shooting everyone I see.

panzerkreuzer - 6-24-2009 at 08:30 AM

NATIONS ON FIRE,( http://www.myspace.com/nationsonfirebe )

old belgian sxe band with a strong political approach.
the lyrics to "bug in my eye" could be right for you:

It’s been buggin´ me ever since I was a kid
that cruelty-egoistic struggle for land
a young boy like me, I couldn’t understand…
Sabbra and Chattila:
Massmurder in these camps what
I saw on TV back then,
I just can’t forget racial segregation,
like in a fascist state backed up by the U.S. government,
full support in return for military and political influence
did anyone expect anything else?
Did you?
Did you or what?
Come on, think with me!
Let’s figure it all out…
stealin´ land-based upon a god-given right
image someone taking over your town today
a right based upon thousands of year old writings
and of course, because they are “God’S Chosen People”,
haha well it just ain’t that funny, man
the state of Israel sucks
I say give those Palestinians back what belongs to them
the Israeli policies haven been buggin´ me,
man, like a bug in my eye
if only people would be better informed and of course,
if they cared to stop this kind of painful tragedy
well maybe there’s something we can do Out!
Of Palestina Out! Of the Westbank Out!
None of your business Out!
You have no right Out!
Over and fucking out!

Mark Lind - 6-24-2009 at 04:09 PM

The only band I listen to (or know of) that has similar lyrics to Ramallah is Slayer.

SS76 - 6-27-2009 at 11:01 AM

Forgot about Pro-Pain's Age Of Tyranny album until last night.....should be about exactly what you're looking for lyrically.

1. New Reality

Enough with the self deprecation
We get it, your spineless, we know!!
You honor those who are not worthy
It's shameless and vile
and so...
where is the anger, where is the rage?
Where are the people the systems enraged?
Where is the hope for brighter pastures
they promised to send us for life
everlasting?

and yet the pain inside
is like 10 miles wide
So consent decree
Embrace your new reality

All of our leaders insane
All of our people, fucked in the brain
Conditioned to follow the mass
Spreading the lies as news travels fast
State your opinion, state it today
Last call for life in this last chance cafe'
Globalization's great work is at hand
enslaving the people, milking the sand

We got the end in sight
and it's black and white
Oh, and it's plain to see
Embrace the new reality

Deploy all troops and tankers
sent by the international bankers
We can all use a lesson in history
to dispell shock, awe, and the mystery
It's the fall of the middle class
Thoroughly fucked up and torn a new ass
by the fed and blind legislation
drawn up by the mob that ransacked this nation
It stinks to high holy heaven
from the news at 6 to more lies at 11
You better think hard while you tuck the kids in
Tell em you love em' and that life's worth living

Yeah... it's time to wake the fuck up!

Prying for more information ever so slowly exposed
No shortage of sinful behavior, the wolf adorns the sheep's clothes
Why are the hungry not being fed?
Why are these crazy thoughts in my head?
Why must religion and culture collide,
and why is no one but god on our side?

Now we're the enemy
and we're soon to be freedom free
Embrace the new reality

I don't care whether you like me or not
You'll soon be face down in your own shit, blood, piss, and snot
Praise the lord for the tax cuts he gave you
while global elitists like Bush co. enslaved you
All pimps just peddling us cheap ho's
Holding down 3 jobs with cheap booze and no doze
Tabloid press and biblical fixation
Rapture your ass, post 3 years of tribulation
Don't say I never told you so.
It's not like you didn't have a choice, you know?
The truth hurts in the world we live in
No one's accountable and all are forgiven
Too many of us along for the free ride
The ark capsized and found us in rip tide
Hold true to the words of wisdom
Fight the power, and fuck the system!!

yeah, fuck the system!!!

2. All for King George

My country tis of thee sweet land of tyranny and monarchy
A dunce was preordained and he reigned to the best of his ability
Oh... I'm not the enemy, you'll see that it's really true!
There's only one of me but I'm doing more than all of you... and you, and you, and you!!

All for King George you sold everything, truth be told

Hail to the king
of everything
Let truth be told
of the souls you sold
You let the wise, the few
get the best of you
and with a noble lie
all truth's denied

When crisis seized the land, he ruled with an iron fist and a closed mind
The gods of war began to fight leaving absolute chaos behind
So just get inside, and we'll ride that freedom train
Control denied, resist the wrath of Cain! Resist the wrath of Cain!

All for King George we sold everything, truth be told

Hail to the chief
In utter disbelief
we hang our heads
and then we forge ahead
between right and wrong
But the wars are long
and our days are few
Our days are bleak and few

He always lied to you

3. Pigs in Clover

Order through the chaos.
The end game is at hand.
Time is now of the essence
for us to take a fucking stand.
Internationalist fascist pigs
owned us from the start.
They marched us into oblivion,
instilled fear in our hearts.

CFR - like pigs in clover they are
running things with the grand ambitions of kings.

But the plot just thickened, the traps are set.
Amero's lurking while the dollar sweats.
Got umpteen choices, but the choices suck!
Put the nails in the coffin cause we all got fucked!

New world genocide,
a true sign of the times.
The sell outs and the media
have polarized our minds.
Masters of deception,
with sick and twisted goals.
Destined for damnation,
who's to save their souls?

Apathy can be the death of us all.
What you read is at best just a brick in the wall.
But the press knows all (like before),
but you won't hear shit from the corporate whores
who dumbed us down 'til our brains are slop.
But the opposition.......it will never stop!

Fuck you all... and your wars!
Fuck you all... and your fucking wars!

4. Beyond the Pale

With the strength of mystical force,
they enforce the wars of the cross,
and were sent by Jesus and God
to win whatever the cost.
But "the price of freedom is high"
said those who sold this charade,
and we chose to go and partake,
and so began the crusade.

With martyrs on all sides
instructing all to rise,
and fight the factions of evil,
they took us on all rides
as we watched the carnage and death
spiral out of control.
Then we all went on with our lives,
'til all took a toll

Freedom... Beyond The Pale

Now the case for war we reject,
but we're forced to accept
and trust in those we elect
with policies so inept.
Blind drunk with power and rage,
their propaganda was staged,
but no one dare make a sound.
Blind to facts on the ground

These trails of violence and tears
will be like this for years.
Most are numb to the pain
and ignorant to the game.
But a game was played nonetheless
that some would call a success,
with occupation the goal.
Stripping the soul.

Freedom... Beyond The Pale

5. Three Minutes Hate

So did you think it would ever come to this in this day and age?
That our worst Orwellian nightmare cometh,
but don't start running....express your rage
that the constitution was maimed by the fourth fucking Reich
Oh... that comfort zone you protect must keep you in denial
that the end's in sight
So show your hate! Push it to the brink!
It's time to get the fuck up and show the world what you think!

And I endure more war like the sacrificial lamb that I am
Peak oil and globalization are coming,
but are we doing the best we can
to get the truth? Yeah, the mother fucking truth!
Cause we the people are sick
and really fucking tired of the likes of you

So show your hate, while I get your back
Our red, white, blue, is turning to red, white, black.

So show your hate! Show your fucking hate!
The worst part of the nightmare's coming,
so don't start running cause now's the time
to show your hate, and push it to the brink!
It's time to get the fuck up and show the world what you think!

6. Heads Will Roll

Heads shall roll!! - the people had cried
for revenge for those that died.
That day most agreed
we were right to stand up and fight.
God willing we'd go get the villain,
green lights were given for killing.
Reminiscent of wars that passed,
new theaters, familiar cast

of big players - the most corrupt,
with big plans to fuck you up
and stay the course with no regrets.
Plant false opposition to hedge their bets

The big wheels are on display to wreak havoc.
Complete disarray of infrastructure stripped to the core
to win the hearts and the minds of the poor

Sinners and saints are the same,
all faceless and useless pawns in their game
of choice they're running the board with the goal
of taking all of us out of control

Heads Will Roll!!

Heads will roll!! - when weapons of mass
destruction are leaked by the press.
Same case is made by the brass,
so crass, insulting at best.
Who's next in the axis of evil
with no riots or state of upheaval.
Sad days, the public complacent.
Rise up, cause time is a wastin'!!

Fear reigns once again,
and who's to say when our men
will return from this godless endeavor,
if at all, so I guess now's better than never.

We let the press define the enemy
Same shit as the 60's and 70's
So may the power of Christ compel you
to shun the hoax and the lies that they tell you

Get up and voice your dissent!!
God help us all.
"We shall never relent", they told us.
But the rhetoric gets old, as does our leaders.
A sight to behold.

Heads Will Roll!!

7. Company Jerk

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
With blood lust, these bitter men,
they simply see the world through binary lenses
of good vs. evil... us or them.
All liberties are taken by this administration... ah... life is good when George is king
No fear of a reprisal, legacy of violence, unnecessary suffering

Oh... he's just the company jerk doing the good lords work
The king of hearts and your minds
will force the end times through death and war crimes
They plan to blow us away, cause it's a passion play and we're the stars.
In the skies we pray we're raptured and all are captured in prophecy... in the end of the world.

In unfamiliar places, the same sadistic faces
with bloodlines that never thin,
cast false flags and shadows which flawed us by design
so that good guys can never win
And all of them are guilty, most of them for treason
All time they serve is time well spent
Their endless thirst for power
justifies the reason to undermine our government

It's just the same old song, in that "it won't be long"
Oh... what gifts they'll bring
Apocalyptic times, sadistic.
And if your TV's on, then you'll be called upon by the powers that be
to shun the others unlike you as self induces
the end of your world.

8. Impeach, Indict, Imprison

When freedom fell from the skies,
we were torn between the lies.
The pretext for war was the wrath
of men no longer wise.
But to grasp this inside,
foreknowledge holds the key
to unlock the truth.
The truth shall set you free.

Impeach, Indict, Imprison
I bet so few would object
So rip off their fucking heads
and shit down their fucking necks

This evil cabal is insane,
yet still we play their game.
A mission accomplished for some,
with thousands killed or maimed.
When all systems failed, they failed and failed again.
Contain and control by means so inhuman.

Impeach, Indict, Imprison,
beyond reasonable doubt.
They're guilty as fucking sin
for selling us fucking out!

9. Leveler

World wide democide, millions are dead.
War, starvation, disease, are sent by the fed

Nineteen Thirteen set the stage, set the scene.
Criminal elements, that's who we're up against.
Lame duck media planted a seed in ya.
Biblical prophecies render you on your knees

as profits soar.....more and more
from shock and awe to martial law

Depression/recession, part of a bigger plan.
Bleeding the wealth of our nation,
gave em' the better hand.

One world government, hell on earth, heaven sent.
Evangelicals, fascist radicals,
corporate criminals, cult subliminals,
bloodlines, warcrimes,
end of fucking times !!

and profits soar.......more and more,
from shock and awe to martial law.

Life is irrelevant !! Death is the leveler !!

10. Iraqnam

Sickened beyond our wildest imaginations.
Thoughts imprisoned and owned by the corporations.
God save their souls for leading us all into hell en masse.
Contempt for the dead, we learn nothing from the mistakes of the past.

Always the first to deceive, the first to believe, the last to get something done.
Our lives are at stake, and yet you've forsaken yourselves for the fortunate sons.

Oh, they promised they meant us no harm,
then sent us to die - IRAQNAM !!
They promised they meant you no harm !!
IRAQ fucking NAM !!

Weapons of mass deception like those of LBJ,
sold by the press into your homes so your minds will decay.

False fucking flags flying everywhere, do you fucking care?
Always the last to know but the first to go into harms way,
loved ones are kept in the fucking dark all alone to bear
the pain and the price that we pay for this fucking sham !!

11. Live Free (Or Die Trying)

With so much promise in our eyes,
why are we fighting?
Potential's never realized,
and we're all denying
the accusations of who we are.
We're shunned and branded the most by far.
At best our freedoms are shorn away
with all dissension kept at bay.

and I know you know there really must be something wrong.
The end results of getting fucked too fucking long.
Our social systems getting worser by the day.
Afford yourself another chance, another way

to Live Free.........or die trying !!

Why bother trying when it's all in revelation?
The cryptic writing's in our halls across the nation.
So organize and collect yourself
and don't depend on no one else.
We the minions are lost inside
an empty place where souls have died

for our sins and sorrows in a quest for better days.
Vital resources getting stretched too many ways,
and it tests your sanity from dusk 'til fucking dawn.
We're mad as hell, now it's fucking on!!

So Live Free or die trying!!