tookie

gavin - 12-13-2005 at 12:02 AM

few hours left mr peace prize

Discipline - 12-13-2005 at 10:55 AM

Good.

clevohardcore - 12-13-2005 at 11:11 AM

word

Voodoobillyman - 12-13-2005 at 11:15 AM

I was sure Arnold would cave under the pressure of all his Hollywood buddies, but he pleasently surprised me. And for all those fucks who say his life is worthwhile and he should be spared to do great things. FUCK YOU
try talking to one of the two little girls who lost their daddy the night "tookie" decided to shoot him twice in the back, piece of shit, fuck him. Capitol Punishment all the way, expand it to include other types of offenses I say, time to clean house and ease tax pressure on working society.

XnMeX - 12-13-2005 at 11:51 AM

I think CA needs to get cracking with executions (along with other states) they have somthing like 350 people on death ron and have only executed 11 people since 1979. Why is it that tax payers money keeps these fucks alive for so long? The way shit is run needs to be changed. Executions need to get speedier, drunk drivers need MUCH worse penalties, etc...

DAK - 12-13-2005 at 02:16 PM

I think there has beem 19 in Texas this year.
The rest of the country needs to get with it.

JawnDiablo - 12-13-2005 at 04:23 PM

on a more local note....
did they execute that piece of shit Mumia Abu Jamaal yet?

Voodoobillyman - 12-13-2005 at 04:51 PM

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did they execute that piece of shit Mumia Abu Jamaal yet?

No, not yet.

Murk - 12-13-2005 at 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
And for all those fucks who say his life is worthwhile and he should be spared to do great things. FUCK YOU
try talking to one of the two little girls who lost their daddy the night "tookie" decided to shoot him twice in the back, piece of shit, fuck him.

Well, looks like they'd tried talking to this victim:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20051208/D8EC9SLOH.html

Clark, 45, was convicted and sentenced to life plus 20 years after a woman identified him as the man who carjacked her at gunpoint from outside an Atlanta Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant and raped her repeatedly.

But recent DNA tests showed that Clark - who had no prior adult felony convictions - did not commit the crime.

So, what does he get for doing 25 years for something he didn't do? He gets to go home, that's it. 25 years of your life, not only gone, but wasted away in prison. On top of that, I bet the bitch doesn't even have the nerve to apologize.

And LAPD isn't exactly batting 1000 with their ethics:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/01/27/lapd.update/

Old story, but last count was over 200 people wrongfully convicted for serious crimes. Dozens of veteran officers fired. That's just what they found on this particular rotation.

But if executions, regardless of the truth, are what will make people feel better, then why not? Just so long as it doesn't happen to anyone you know, right?

confused13 - 12-13-2005 at 05:05 PM

Can't agree with any of this statements. What gives anyone the right to take ones live? Because he tooks lives its OK to execute him? Its just the same level - how poor!

gavin - 12-13-2005 at 05:40 PM

shut up ypuz
he killed FOUR people
dude should and did die
fuck him
the end

confused13 - 12-13-2005 at 05:42 PM

you got your views and i got mine - thats the end

gavin - 12-13-2005 at 05:50 PM

no, the end was last night when they killed his scumbag ass
now THATS the end

Voodoobillyman - 12-13-2005 at 06:16 PM

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But if executions, regardless of the truth, are what will make people feel better, then why not? Just so long as it doesn't happen to anyone you know, right?

Sorry dude, but try being directly affected by violent crime ie, lose someone you love dearly and then tell me what you think. Those little girls lost their dad , they were too young (and not there) to finger dookie ooops I mean tookie dipshit so they didnt mess up on identifying him like your example, two different points being made here. My point is your point of view all depends on personal experience, so your right capitol punishment is fine by me, they shoudl use it more often. If someone I loved fucked up bad enough to be put to death, my point of view might....and I stress might change. What about your point of view should some dickhead come along and shoot someone you love for no good reason and then is sentenced to death? All convicts claim innocence, have you ever heard of a dude in prison saying he did it? I am glad he died, and I am glad it took awhile for them to stick his left arm so he could wallow a bit. Just my opinion.

Voodoobillyman - 12-13-2005 at 06:18 PM

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no, the end was last night when they killed his scumbag ass

Now thats the most sensible thing I have read all day, clear and to the point, very well put

JawnDiablo - 12-13-2005 at 06:32 PM

the world wont miss Tookie
for the record, i have an old friend, was once my best friend, who may be facing the death penalty in Florida. and as far as im concerned, if they want to execute him, he has it coming.

Voodoobillyman - 12-13-2005 at 06:35 PM

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the world wont miss Tookie

except maybe the bleeding hearts in hollywood who were crying for his ass, fuck them too.

gavin - 12-13-2005 at 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by Voodoobillyman

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the world wont miss Tookie

except maybe the bleeding hearts in hollywood who were crying for his ass, fuck them too.

right!!!
like i care what the guy from m.a.s.h. thinks about anything
or snoop dog for that matter
please fools

Voodoobillyman - 12-13-2005 at 06:58 PM

What about Jaime Foxx, who because he played Tookie in a shitty fuckin movie "really understands" the profound impact he's had on lives in his anti gang kiddies books. And I wont even get started on The reverend jesse jackson, I really cant wait for him to die, so he'll finally shut the fuck up with his stupid shit.

GabeTexasGAMC - 12-13-2005 at 07:34 PM

so much anger in this thread, i think we need some beer.
Its one thing to hate something, its another to just close your eyes and hate everything.
Fuck that dude... tookie whatever.
He did the crime, and he paid for it.
As for the DNA stuff... a lot of that wouldnt happen now.

Murk - 12-13-2005 at 07:37 PM

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My point is your point of view all depends on personal experience, so your right capitol punishment is fine by me, they shoudl use it more often.

Ok, so to be clear, when a horrible crime is comitted, someone needs to die, regardless of the integrity of the case against the accused and what really happened. The ol' "as long as the car looks good and starts up, who cares if you can drive it off the lot." As long as someone is killed in the name of the victim.

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If someone I loved fucked up bad enough to be put to death, my point of view might....and I stress might change.

What if someone you loved was charged and convicted for a crime you knew for a fact they didn't do? Would you close your mouth and sit idly? Would you put up with remarks like the ones you're making from others? I hope so, otherwise that would be awfully hypocritical.

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What about your point of view should some dickhead come along and shoot someone you love for no good reason and then is sentenced to death?

If that happened I wouldn't want just anyone who could be conveniently placed into the puzzle to die.

I'm not against the death penalty, in theory, but I am against "short-bus" vengeance

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All convicts claim innocence, have you ever heard of a dude in prison saying he did it?

Uhh, yeah. Plenty. That statement and the following question is a bit naive.

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I am glad he died,

I could really care less and won't be thinking about it much past another day or so, but it just fascinates how people refuse to insist and demand that the actual criminal is convicted, beyond any doubt, all of the time.

When someone is wrongly accused, convicted and imprisoned not only should they be paid the current minimum wage multiplied by 40, multiplied by 52, multiplied by the number of years they were locked up (which would come out to $310,000 for Mr "I did 25 years because I'm black"), all involved should have to serve time.

The judge, the prosecutors and any witnesses who provided crucial, pivotal and damaging, testimony against the wrongly accused, but that's called accountability and Americans ain't too keen on that.

Instead, someone, anyone really, needs to die or go to prison and then everything is better.

Murk - 12-13-2005 at 08:47 PM

Couple of other things to add...

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but try being directly affected by violent crime ie, lose someone you love dearly and then tell me what you think. Those little girls lost their dad

This really sounds like you have a healthy serving of empathy for Iraqi suicide bombers looking to avenge the deaths of their loved ones from US bombs. A personal decision to justify another's death to make ammends for a crime/loss is just that, no matter which way you spin it. Who cares if the dead person is the right one? As long as it's close, the same color or at least it looks good to those hungry for capital punishment fodder.

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All convicts claim innocence, have you ever heard of a dude in prison saying he did it?

All? Do some research, if you dare, and find out how many guys are locked up in your local penitentiary for violent crimes with sentences exceeding 10 years. Then find out how many of thse guys stood by their "innocent" plea until sentencing. You'll find less than 30%. See, if you plead guilty, you ARE saying you did it.

Murk - 12-13-2005 at 08:58 PM

Here's a neat little story:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9804/23/ray.obit/

James Earl Ray came as close as he ever would to being absolved in King's assassination in a March 1997 meeting with one of the civil rights leader's sons, Dexter King.

The King family supports a trial for Ray.

"I had nothing to do with shooting your father," Ray told King.

Later, King asked Ray directly, "I want to ask for the record: did you kill my father?"

"No, I didn't, no, no," Ray said.

"I believe you, and my family believes you, and we will do everything in our power to see you prevail," King replied.

The King family joined Ray's relatives and others in the call for a trial, saying it would be the only way to discover the full truth about what happened in Memphis.

I guess there's still a few people on the planet who want justice, but also want it served based on the truth.

Voodoobillyman - 12-13-2005 at 09:15 PM

Murk, you are certain dookie was innocent huh? I am done with this, and not because I feel as though you tore me apart either, so stop patting yourself on the back. Because I'm bored with it, a jury of his peers felt there was enough evidence to convict him, and the justice system decided death was his penalty. If you don't like it do something about it besides posting on a web board, I say the murdering fuck got what he deserved.

Voodoobillyman - 12-13-2005 at 09:24 PM

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I changed my mind, I will remark on this. The fact that you compare my thoughts on capitol punishment (which is a system of appeals and reappeals) to the personal decision of some fuckin raghead to make the "personal" decision to blow themselves up in the hopes of killing others is absolutely absurd. These are two different things completey. The key in your misguided statement is "personal"
It was not personal for the jury, the judge or the executioner, it was personal for the victims families, who didnt blow themselves up around dookie to kill him. Matter of fact they didnt have the choice on whether he was sentenced to death or not. Me, it wasnt personal for me either, I just believe he did do it, and paid the correct price for doing it. By the by, I serve in the US navy, and I was foward deployed for the Iraq war, for half a year. I have lost friends to those same kinds of bombers you say I empathize with.

Voodoobillyman - 12-13-2005 at 09:24 PM

And now for something completely different.......................

Murk - 12-13-2005 at 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
Murk, you are certain dookie was innocent huh?

Nope. Never said that. You sure seem to be certain that he did do it. Only one of us is claiming to have "the answer".

Sorry you took it as a personal attack. It wasn't. I didn't even know you were in the armed forces. I'm just not good at following the pack and believing something without asking ALL the questions and looking at things holistically.

Sure, he was convicted by a jury of his peers, but I could get you convicted by a jury of your peers with false testimony and tainted/fraudulent evidence, very easily. Remember, Mr. "I did 25 years because I'm black" was also convicted by a jury of his peers.

It's an indisputable fact that people are convicted for things they didn't do on a regular basis, but no one cares about that because all that's important is that someone dies or goes to prison.

GabeTexasGAMC - 12-13-2005 at 10:25 PM

and we had a really nice peacfull board, and now we have drama.
Let it go assholes.

KyleOz - 12-13-2005 at 10:30 PM

This would alright if it was in the hate forum.

Murk - 12-13-2005 at 10:38 PM

Where is this hate/drama you guys speak of between me and billyman?

How have we destroyed the peace?

I thought we were talking...

No name calling (except Gabe), no ALL CAPS, no back and forth insults.

Is discussion allowed on here?

If anything belongs in the "hate forum" it's all the sentiment expressed in the thread, not our discussion.

KyleOz - 12-13-2005 at 10:53 PM

You don't have to insult each other at all, but in a sense it became argumentative, so I was going off that.

I stand by what I said.

Murk - 12-13-2005 at 11:01 PM

I gotcha.

I thought the "hate forum" was for just for extreme cases of blatant, funny internet hate, but it's also for if you don't agree with someone.

"My bad" everyone.

Murk - 12-13-2005 at 11:03 PM

Anyway, instead of making a new post I'll just ask here.

Is this board a pro-Bush, pro-war, pro-police type of crowd?

KyleOz - 12-13-2005 at 11:19 PM

You can still have opinons, no biggie man.

As for your latest question.

pro-bush: nope

pro-war: Not really, I do say support the troops because it isn't their fault they are over the fact that they have defective kevlar vests and vehicles are not properly armored. Even if we are going to stay there, at least they could do is provide our troops the with protection they need and deserve. There is a lot you can look into and rant about, but I choose to keep it to that as of now.

pro-police: As far as I am concerned yeah, they protect lives and keep communities safe. Yeah people say "what about corrupt cops?" I say every group and faction in existence has corrupt members in it. I have never had personal problems with police officers so far.

Murk - 12-13-2005 at 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by KyleOz
it isn't their fault they are over the fact that they have defective kevlar vests and vehicles are not properly armored. Even if we are going to stay there, at least they could do is provide our troops the with protection they need and deserve.

Couldn't agree more.

The fact the whole thing is happening doesn't make me very happy, but when I read stories and reports about the lack of armor, vests etc., that pisses me off. A lot.

GabeTexasGAMC - 12-13-2005 at 11:37 PM

i call names... i talk shit.
arguments whether polite or totally insane are still arguments.
sIm not trying to be an asshole or anything, but by trying to destroy peoples oppinions on our board doesnt make people respect or validate anyone elses oppinions.
Not saying that it was ALL you were trying to do, but in general.
This is meant to be a fun board.
I strayed away for awhile due to shit like this thread.
It started to be more arguing and "discussing" rather than fun and good reading.

KyleOz - 12-13-2005 at 11:40 PM

This pisses me off even more

David H. Brooks is a scumbag

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/301105warp...

defstarsteve - 12-13-2005 at 11:42 PM

viewpoints from all over the spectrum on the board
but we keep it civil
this is not a message board where folks get out of hand..

if we disagree we don't attak each other on personal levels, we bring about debate, and leave it at that,

think of it as the quite corner bar, everyong gets along no matter what the background or stature, everyone is welcome until they fuck up our good thing...

this is our little quite time away from the rest of the intersuck and the world

Murk - 12-14-2005 at 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by KyleOz
Yeah people say "what about corrupt cops?" I say every group and faction in existence has corrupt members in it. I have never had personal problems with police officers so far.

Allow me to clarify, by saying "pro-police" I meant you don't care in the slightest about things like Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, plungers up asses, Rampart Scandal and all the taped beatings in LA in the last few years to name a few.

In other words the police can do no wrong and if they do, that's cool too.

tireironsaint - 12-14-2005 at 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by Murk

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What the fuck are you on about? Are you just trying to see how many regulars you can piss off? This statement is fucking ridiculous, what would make you think anyone here would support people doing fucked up things whatever their job happened to be? If you do think that then why don't you get the fuck back to wherever you came from because it's pretty easy to see what kind of people are on this board just by reading through some of the threads. The people on this board are some of the best people around, no matter where you're from. If you came here trying to stir up shit, you should think again, because this isn't the place for it. If you like that kind of bullshit drama, take it to the B9 or one of those retarded sites.

Murk - 12-14-2005 at 12:29 AM

ok, now this is drama.

there are a lot of people who seriously think like that. i was just asking. if i already thought it, i wouldn't have asked.

again, my bad. relatively new to this board so just striking up some conversation.

tireironsaint - 12-14-2005 at 12:34 AM

You've got a bad way of striking up a conversation, this is like approaching several guys wearing leather jackets and sitting on motorcycles and asking if they like raping little old ladies and killing minorities. You're assuming the very worst about us, asking if that's the case and then backpedaling when you get called on it. Read some old threads or ask some non-loaded questions if you wanna find out how people feel, don't say "Hey, is everyone here a dog fucking asshole? No offense, I'm just asking" and expect to get a positive reply.

Murk - 12-14-2005 at 12:40 AM

You just jumped from (pro-Bush, pro-war, pro-police) to (rape, murder and beastiality).

Sorry if you thought that was what I was doing. It wasn't and it doesn't appear that way to me when re-reading.

Especially when you consider the overall tone of this thread on page 1. Don't get me wrong. The first post was funny.

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Originally posted by tireironsaint
You're assuming the very worst about us, asking if that's the case

All ya had to say was no to whichever ones don't apply. Kyle had no problem with it.

By asking, I can eliminate assuming, stereotyping etc.

tireironsaint - 12-14-2005 at 12:49 AM

You've gotta be kidding. You stumble into a thread where people are gonna have very strong feelings one way or the other no matter who they are, strike up a heated debate about it using slanted "facts" and then start telling people they don't give a shit about anything (or as you call it, asking people if they don't give a shit about anything) and you don't think you were stirring up shit? Are you honestly gonna sit there and tell me that "Allow me to clarify, by saying "pro-police" I meant you don't care in the slightest about things like Rodney King, Amadou Diallo, plungers up asses, Rampart Scandal and all the taped beatings in LA in the last few years to name a few.

In other words the police can do no wrong and if they do, that's cool too." isn't a loaded statement designed to provoke a reaction? If that's really what you're saying maybe you need to get someone to explain to you the way communication works.

Murk - 12-14-2005 at 12:54 AM

ok man, i'll go back to lurking. my bad.

tireironsaint - 12-14-2005 at 12:55 AM

Oh, and it's not THAT you're asking these questions, it's HOW you're asking them. Saying "what do you guys think about police brutality, the present administration, and the war?" is NOT the same as asking "So you guys all like slaughtering the innocent and wronging the accused, huh?" Do you understand the difference?

Murk - 12-14-2005 at 12:59 AM

Allow me to refresh your memory on this thread.

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except maybe the bleeding hearts in hollywood who were crying for his ass, fuck them too.

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did they execute that piece of shit Mumia Abu Jamaal yet?

I happen to live in Hollywood and think there is some police corruption in the Mumia case.

Again, my bad, lesson learned, message received.

GabeTexasGAMC - 12-14-2005 at 01:08 AM

theres a couple of us that are just real bastards when it comes to threads.
many of these dudes are reaaaaaaaaaally old (yahahahha yes indeed!) and are SUPER jaded (dont lie), and the only thing in life better than family and friends is beer and broads... and for some of them, just broads.
All lighthearted, all pretty well mannered.
I love this board.
And all you dumb knuckleheads on it.

tireironsaint - 12-14-2005 at 01:13 AM

Oh, I'm sorry, did I imply that your opinion of police brutality was the one we all agreed upon? Just because somebody says "police corruption is fucked up shit" does not mean that they happen to believe exactly the same things as you about every situation that may or may not pertain to that. Personally, I see a lot more evidence pointing to that particular person as being a murderer than I do to him being some innocent caught up in the cogs of police corruption. As for the "bleeding hearts in hollywood" line you quoted up there, I think that was about celebrities who think their opinion is more valid because they're rich and "beautiful" and not NECESSARILY the average person who just happens to live in the area, but I didn't make the original statement, so I could be wrong.

And by the way, I read through the thread just fine on my own and don't need your out of context quotes to "clarify" for me, thanks. And apparently you think the message here is that having a different opinion from the majority of people on Thorp is "your bad". If so, you've missed the point entirely (again).

Murk - 12-14-2005 at 01:18 AM

it's ok man. i understand. it won't happen again.

gavin - 12-14-2005 at 01:28 AM

mumia?!?!?!
dude seriously get the fuck out with that
i live in philadelphia
that piece of shit shot daniel faukner, a cop and father and husband, in the back and then shot him in the face
now he is another one being held up as some sort of hero for the anti-death penalty people
i cant stress this enough................
FUUUUUUUUUUUCK HIM
when that fuck dies, the world will be a better place
im 110% serious

BDx13 - 12-14-2005 at 01:35 AM

i haven't read every post in this thread and i'm getting a little sleepy, so i'd just quickly like to remind you all that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and the i believe that those opinions can be shared freely on this board. with a topic like capital punishment, people are gonna have passionate positions (minds out of the gutter, please) and disagree with one another, but i do expect people on this board to not textually assault one another. disagree all you want, but please do it respectfully. thank you.

now, speaking of passionate positions...

BDx13 - 12-14-2005 at 01:44 AM

now for my two cents....
pro-bush: NO
pro-war: PRO TROOPS
pro-police: GENERALLY YES, but clearly, they are far from infallible.
tookie: CAN'T SAY. not familiar with the crime or the man.
mumia: PULL THE SWITCH (i'm more familiar with and do have an opinion of this case.)

GABE, can i get that beer now?

defstarsteve - 12-14-2005 at 01:58 AM

you earned it with your first post

GabeTexasGAMC - 12-14-2005 at 02:04 AM

hahahha go to bed fruit.

Todd - 12-14-2005 at 07:59 AM

I didn't feel like sifting through all of this stuff and I never let facts get in the way of an opinion but... Don't you think there are enough real heroes in the world to rally behind? I don't need to troll prisons to find my heroes, I can look at the people I meet everyday. The guy who supports his kids, goes to work everyday, and watches football on Sunday? Hero. The poor men and women being shot at and blown up in Iraq and Afghanistan? Heroes. Anyone that runs into rather than away from fire? Hero. Anyone that runs toward and not away from gunfire? Hero. It's really an endless list for me.

Fuck Tookie, Mumia, and any other celebrity cause of the day. Oh yeah. Big Duane? Hero!!!

Voodoobillyman - 12-14-2005 at 08:15 AM

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Fuck Tookie, Mumia, and any other celebrity cause of the day. Oh yeah. Big Duane? Hero!!!

That just about sums it up for me as well, thanks for the nekked chicks doing the snake dance Big D, I think I have a flick with the girl getting serviced. shes poolside and some dude comes up to her and begins diddling her, then she says her boyfriend is in the house and the guy says fuck him. Then she says your right fuck me, riveting stuff, what would the world be without porno?

upyerbum - 12-14-2005 at 09:15 AM

We're all big kids. If you can't accept the consequences of your actions you're gonna' have a rough ride in this world. I know. The fact of the matter is you do the crime you do the time. There was a death penalty in California when he commited the murders and he new there was a death penalty, he got caught. Game Over. You can't change the rules in the middle of the game. I don't know why everyones all up in arms anyway, nothing can die.

JawnDiablo - 12-14-2005 at 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
mumia?!?!?!
dude seriously get the fuck out with that
i live in philadelphia
that piece of shit shot daniel faukner, a cop and father and husband, in the back and then shot him in the face
now he is another one being held up as some sort of hero for the anti-death penalty people
i cant stress this enough................
FUUUUUUUUUUUCK HIM
when that fuck dies, the world will be a better place
im 110% serious

thank you

KyleOz - 12-14-2005 at 11:21 AM

That the officer that is up at Geno's correct?

JawnDiablo - 12-14-2005 at 11:27 AM

probably is...i havent been to Geno's in years.
actually he was the a cousin of a friend of mines, her daughter then became a philly cop. that is probably one of the jobs id least want to have. just from hearing stories from her over the years. i think one dude on this board is a philly police officer...

BDx13 - 12-14-2005 at 11:32 AM

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That the officer that is up at Geno's correct?

damn, your memory IS good.

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Originally posted by juandiablo
i think one dude on this board is a philly police officer...

godabandonedme is a cop in philly. haven't seen him on here in a while though.

Discipline - 12-14-2005 at 12:37 PM

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Well said. So many people have picked up on his cause because Jello Biafra is always going on about him. I happen to be a big Biafra fan but, unlike many, I don't take everything he says as the gospel truth. But so many of the little left wing punks revere Jello as god, and raise Mumia up as some kind of folk hero. Mumia should have been killed a long time ago. Racism had nothing to do with this. That piece of shit shot a cop and deserves to die.

JawnDiablo - 12-14-2005 at 12:50 PM

and if he didnt do it, he damn well knows who did

Voodoobillyman - 12-15-2005 at 10:48 AM

Jellos politics are way off from my own, and fuck mumia right in the cocksucker.