Thorp and Sailor's Grave Board

FUCK HBO

defstarsteve - 6-10-2007 at 10:07 PM

that is all

DAK - 6-10-2007 at 10:11 PM

:P

Jason the Magnificent - 6-10-2007 at 10:17 PM

greatest ending ever.

defstarsteve - 6-10-2007 at 10:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jason the Magnificent
greatest ending ever.


if you are the gayest t.v. show ever....
so we are supposed to guess that he got it from the memebers only jacket guy
when Meadow walked in....

yeah fuck that
show it and be done with it...
again fuck hbo...

Jason the Magnificent - 6-10-2007 at 10:28 PM

I just posted this on another board so I'll cut and paste rather than try to elaborate...my brain is too fried right now. I understand the frustration, I have been with this show from the beginning, but ....

--Yeah maybe they should have done something more original, like a mob guy getting killed or getting busted...that would have really set the world on its ear...how riveting.

David Chase had a million people on the edge of their seats that last 5 minutes, toying with us...just to pull the rug out from under us...this is the kind of ending that generates endless discussion, driven from frustration or not.

He ended one of the greatest shows in television history with one of the boldest most obnoxious moves in television history. We got played. Classic.

Jason the Magnificent - 6-10-2007 at 10:30 PM

Tomorrow Big Love starts again!!!!!

defstarsteve - 6-10-2007 at 10:31 PM

sure we got played, but it's worse then a fucking dream sequence, at least there would be some kind of closeur...

Jason the Magnificent - 6-10-2007 at 10:33 PM

haha no closure for us!!! I could use a drink.

defstarsteve - 6-10-2007 at 11:35 PM

2 things
first if you invested time in reading an 86 chapter novel and the last lines of the last page read, and meadow walked into the resturant. and the writer said that's it you don't find out who lives who dies, who goes to jail, anything....
that writer would never sel lanother book...
I could see them pul lthis shit last week...
oh fuck it would have been great, last week.... not only would we wondering what happened but holy fuck what happened....
but this was just cheap, end a season this way even, not the fucking story....

2nd
what was the point of the last 8 episodes, the mini season....
if I am not mistaken, and I will find the proof somewhere chase wasn't happy with the way the last season ended, which was supposed to be the end, and wanted to bring closure....did he, or did he just milk it....and make 8 episodes for what reason....

big love had betbgood tomrrrow
and the John from Cin was okay, but it's one episode in and no one died yet so that is not good.

defstarsteve - 6-10-2007 at 11:48 PM

and what the fuck was up with tony seeing himself sitting at the table...
bad editing, or seeing his life flash before his eyes

Jason the Magnificent - 6-10-2007 at 11:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by defstarsteve
2 things
first if you invested time in reading an 86 chapter novel and the last lines of the last page read, and meadow walked into the resturant. and the writer said that's it you don't find out who lives who dies, who goes to jail, anything....
that writer would never sel lanother book...
I could see them pul lthis shit last week...
oh fuck it would have been great, last week.... not only would we wondering what happened but holy fuck what happened....
but this was just cheap, end a season this way even, not the fucking story....

2nd
what was the point of the last 8 episodes, the mini season....
if I am not mistaken, and I will find the proof somewhere chase wasn't happy with the way the last season ended, which was supposed to be the end, and wanted to bring closure....did he, or did he just milk it....and make 8 episodes for what reason....

big love had betbgood tomrrrow
and the John from Cin was okay, but it's one episode in and no one died yet so that is not good.


the last season meaning 6a? or season 5?

I think I get what you're asking. Season 6B, this last 8 episodes...the deal for these was made when season 6A was going into production and its widely believed that they stretched out the gay Vito storyline so long because instead of wrapping up things in 6A and just making it season 6, they now needed to stretch the story arc out for another 8 episodes to ultimately end up where chase wanted to end up.

While all these past episodes have been good, there have been a LOT of story lines that weren't needed for character developement, I have the feeling they got money for more episodes and had to stretch things thin a bit.

Jason the Magnificent - 6-10-2007 at 11:55 PM

I'm not sure on the Tony seeing himself either...I think that was just bad editing. I think something as massive as him seeing himself would have had to have been elaborated on a bit more and THAT would have been the ending.

BDx13 - 6-10-2007 at 11:55 PM

the last five minutes were tense. every person the camera focused on you thought was gonna get tony.

my thought was that the guy who went into the can was gonna try to blast tony when he came out, but that meadow would have sat there in the mean time and she woulda gotten it.

my wife thinks we're supposed to believe that life "just goes on for them." she might be right - the story is over, nothing happens, and life just goes on - i dunno.

JawnDiablo - 6-11-2007 at 12:12 AM

i have no fuckin pay channels and im drinkin AND i didnt even read this thread...

defstarsteve - 6-11-2007 at 12:15 AM

After a few months off, actors return in June to film eight final "bonus" episodes, due next January. Chase says he agreed to extend the series when he couldn't fit two important plots into the upcoming batch. But he's sticking with his original plan for how to end it, which he conceived more than two years ago.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-03-01-sopr...


that wasn't bad editing
Ireally think it was all tony's life flashing before his eyes...
he looked himeslf in the eye and it seemed he moved forward into the seat, there is no way chase would make a mistake like that
he is said to stand over the editors shoulder on every episode if he wrote or directed it himself

what we watched was the last 8 years of tony's life flash before his eyes up to the last 5 minutes of his life
and then silence...

Remember the conversation with Bobby at the lake? "I wonder if you hear the one that gets you" - the final episode answers that question. That is why they flashed back to it at the end of last weeks episode. He never heard the one that killed him."

I'm still pissed but I can deal with it thru that...
watching agin in an hor, and watching the last 7 minutes close...
to make sure he see's himself

I feel kind of sad now

JawnDiablo - 6-11-2007 at 12:17 AM

weve been watchin my oz dvds.......
nothin like sodomy and racism

defstarsteve - 6-11-2007 at 12:18 AM

don't get me started on how crappy the oz ending was....

JawnDiablo - 6-11-2007 at 12:19 AM

oh fuck the end of season 6 was terrible
it got stupid half way season 4
but still it was a helluve lot better than most crap on tv at the time

JawnDiablo - 6-11-2007 at 12:20 AM

fuck my typing is slurring......

MikeCore - 6-11-2007 at 03:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by juandiablo
i have no fuckin pay channels and im drinkin AND i didnt even read this thread...


I'm smokin' and didn't read the tread. But the ending was lame and IMHO left open for later use.

BDx13 - 6-11-2007 at 08:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by defstarsteve
he looked himeslf in the eye and it seemed he moved forward into the seat, there is no way chase would make a mistake like that


now i need to rewatch it. i don't even remember the scene previous to them being in the restaurant.

one theory i found online:

BDx13 - 6-11-2007 at 08:23 AM

"You just got whacked. He killed the audience, not the show."

Jason the Magnificent - 6-11-2007 at 08:24 AM

Heres a good synopsis by Alan Sepinwall a TV critic who has done a great job summarizing/analyzing the episodes over the years for the star ledger

http://blog.nj.com/ledgerentertainment/2007/06/dont_stop_bel...

another theory i found online:

BDx13 - 6-11-2007 at 08:25 AM

"WOW!!!! AMAZING!!! OK, at first I was really angry. I mean really, really angry. I can't believe though that no-one has posted by now what happened. The only thing I saw that was right, was that in the last scene we are seeing through Tony's eyes. Remember when he was speaking with Bobby...basically saying that you don't see it happening? So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail. So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store and the black guys at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?). Absolutely incredible!!!! There were three people in the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. This was Chase's way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on forever despite that he would like it to "don't stop". Not the fans!!! Tony would like it to keep going but just as we have to say goodbye, so does he. No more Tony and I guess we are supposed to be happy that Meadow didn't get clipped as well (she would have been between the shooter and Tony) since she is the only one worth a crap in that family. Thank you David Chase for making it so obscure that I feel bad for hating you at first. Absolutely amazing!!!!"

------

now, that did cross my mind, the idea that the people in the diner were from Tony's past; I just couldn't place them.

and what did AJ say at the end, "Remember the good times, that you you told me"?

man, now i'm all thrown off.

BDx13 - 6-11-2007 at 08:41 AM

http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/sopranos_rewind_made_in_ame...

Jason the Magnificent - 6-11-2007 at 08:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BD
The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!!!


ok....I'll have to ivnestigate this but where the hell did this info come from? This character/turn of events was never discussed in the show to my knowledge. I'm calling shenannigans.

BDx13 - 6-11-2007 at 09:01 AM

that was just a myspace post i found somewhere.

i'm sure hardcore sopranos fans will check the credits to see if that character is named, then cross reference previous episodes.

the cubscouts reference would be easy to check, that was just last week and is still on demand.

BDx13 - 6-11-2007 at 09:05 AM

at this point, i'm leaning towards the idea that he got killed.

?you probably don?t even hear it when it happens, right??
I think it all stopped - bam - because that abrupt switch to the silent black, blank screen was the moment Tony got killed. The Sopranos was Tony. Once he died (instantly) the show was over - no need to see the aftermath, the mayhem, the blood, his family, etc. Death. The End.

but, obviously, one can totally argue, that life just goes on from there.

Jason the Magnificent - 6-11-2007 at 09:15 AM

I tend to agree with you on the ending.

MikeFromInhuman - 6-11-2007 at 09:39 AM

That My Space post has me me re think my thoughts on the ending.
It still kinda sucked, but at least it made sense and is extremely relevant if you are a super fan who pays attention.

Fucking David Chase......


M.

Jason the Magnificent - 6-11-2007 at 09:55 AM

The episode summary from HBO.com, no mention of Tony seeing himself so I'm leaning towards a bad edit. These things are never cryptic, they pretty much lay out the episode scene for scene without any hidden agendas.

Summary

Directed by: David Chase
Written by: David Chase

"It's like America...I mean this is still where people come to make it. It's a beautiful idea..."

Tony wakes up in the safe house: another day of hiding. That night, he and Paulie sit in the car at the end of the airport runway, watching planes take off as they wait. Finally, Agent Harris shows up. Tony runs through the snow flurries to join him in his car. He tells Harris he remembered the name of the bank that the Arabs used. "You just remembered?" Harris asks. Tony counters with a question: if Harris's Brooklyn contact might be able to tell them where Phil is. "You're over-reaching," Harris ends the conversation.

Tony heads over to visit Carmela and the kids at their hideaway - the estate house Carmela bought for her next remodel. Meadow is on her way out and AJ is saying goodbye to Rhiannon. Tony tells AJ that Uncle Bobby's funeral is set and he's expected to attend. When AJ questions how that's possible, given they're all at "Defcon 4," Carmela explains: "There is always a large FBI presence." Indeed, at the burial, the feds are watching the camera feeds from a nearby van.

At the reception after the funeral, AJ blows up at the shallowness of the conversation at his table, complaining about the dire state of the world. Jason jokes they should join up "go kill some f**kin' terrorists," and AJ retorts that would be better than watching the "jack-off fantasies on TV of how we're kicking their ass."

Tony and Benny play cards at the safe house. Anthony Maffei enters with Patsy to deliver an envelope that's "light." When Carlo tells Tony they're going to visit Silvio at the hospital, Tony says he's got things to do: "My daughter," he says cryptically. "Yesterday it was his gout," notes Benny.

In Little Italy, Butchie and Ray Ray take a call from Phil who's angry at the failure to locate Tony Soprano. Butchie broaches the idea of reaching out, but Phil shuts him down: there's no going back.

Tony visits Janice at her house. He's the only one who understands her dark sense of humor she insists as they discuss her plans. She wants to make a go of it with Bobby's kids. As Tony's leaving, he gets a call from Agent Harris: "Multiple calls traced back to a pay phone in Oyster Bay, Long Island." Tony thanks him for the tip.

Parked in his SUV, AJ and Rhiannon listen to music - and make the move to consummate their friendship. As they are going at it, the car starts smoking - literally - and the two barely escape before it goes up in flames, exploding as they scramble away.

Tony and Carmela read AJ the riot act for parking his SUV in leaves. "The catalytic converter and the dry vegetation!" shouts Tony. "If there was children playing in those leaves you'd have run them over?" Carmela adds. AJ pleads his defense: depression. Still, he manages to see the bright side when told he's not getting a replacement car. "We have to break our dependence on foreign oil."

The Feds, listening in on a wiretap, pick up Tony's call to George, asking him to arrange a sit-down. In an empty warehouse, George brings Tony and Paulie together with Butchie and Albie and Little Carmine. Tony asks for a location on Phil; they refuse but tell him to do what he has to do. Promising Tony they'll come to back to him with "a number" to cover Janice's loss, Butchie and Tony shake hands.

The Soprano family returns home and Paulie, Tony and the crew regroup in the back room of the pork store. Paulie is unnerved to see the cat from the safe house has made the trip. He wants to get rid of it, but Tony insists the cat stay. In the meantime, the guys cruise Oyster Bay, searching for Phil.

Janice visits Uncle Junior while Uncle Pat is visiting to report the news of Bobby's death, but Junior doesn't seem to know who she is. Later, Pat reports to Tony that Janice was fishing for Junior's money. But Tony insists Junior can "f**kin' rot."

AJ sits across from with his new female therapist (with legs to rival Melfi's) from the psychiatric hospital. He tells her he's felt "cleansed" since his car blew up.

Concerned, Paulie calls Tony from the Bing early in the morning when Carlo is a no-show for a meeting. He suggests maybe Butchie's taken out another ranking guy, but Tony has another theory: Carlo's flipped. When Paulie recalls that Carlo's son Jason was picked up yesterday for selling X, the theory looks even more plausible.

Carmela is pleasantly surprised to see Meadow's friend Hunter - who she hasn't seen since she was kicked out of college. Now, however, Hunter reports, she's in her second year of medical school. Carmela abruptly informs Meadow that Patrick and his parents will be there soon to discuss wedding plans. Over cocktails, Patrick brags that his firm is interested in hiring Meadow out of law school. Tony and Carmela are pleased to hear about the high starting salary, but Carmela is less pleased with the kinds of cases he works on: "bid riggin. It's got bag men, whores...it's fascinating."

When Paulie catches the cat staring at a photo of Christopher, he gets more spooked, but Tony interrupts him with an offer: to take over skippering the Cifaretto crew now that Carlo's MIA. Tony says he's honored but has to think about it. Tony, "miffled," gives him time to consider.

Driving, Tony spots AJ jogging and picks him up. AJ announces he's decided to join the army. Tony insists he not do anything just yet. He promptly reports the news to Carmela and the two pay a visit to AJ's new therapist. The doctor reports that AJ says he wants to "get past the hate...focus it on the terrorists." Tony quickly starts talking about his own upbringing and his difficult mother, as Carmela rolls her eyes.

Tony takes Meadow out "sake bombing" for a heart to heart about her career. She insists she wants to protect immigrant rights, having been moved by how Italian-Americans were mistreated. "If I hadn't see you dragged away all those time by the FBI then I'd probably be a boring suburban doctor," she says. Tony has no response.

Getting out of Patty's car at the gas station to make a call, Phil waves goodbye to his twin grandchildren. Before he can finish making plans, he is shot in the head. Patty screams and jumps out of the car. Still in drive, the car rolls as she tries to get to the twins but the car runs over Phil's head. When Agent Harris gets the news that Phil was "popped," he bursts out: "Damn, we're gonna win this thing!"

Carmela and Tony sit AJ down for a talk. They don't want him to join the army but have a counter-offer: he can be a development executive on a screenplay Tony got from Danny Baldwin that Little Carmine wants to produce. And after getting some real-world experience, Tony will consider financing his night club. AJ agrees, and also gives in to a new BMW so he can drive to his new job.

Over burgers, Tony's lawyer, Mink, breaks the news that someone's giving grand jury testimony. "So Carlo has flipped," Tony says. Mink puts his chances of being indicted at 80-90% but assures him "trials are there to be won."

Tony visits Silvio in the hospital, sitting with his comatose consigliere into the night.

At Satriale's Paulie declines Tony's offer to take over from Carlo, saying everyone who's had that gig has died prematurely. Tony ridicules his superstition - and finally sways him when he says he'll have to give the job to Patsy. "Prick. You always know what to say to me don't you?" says Paulie as he accepts the job.

Tony goes to visit Junior, watching him from afar before going over to talk to him. He tells Junior that if he remembers where his money is, he should tell Pat so Tony can hold it in trust for Bobby's kids; it's not fair that Janice should get it. But Junior doesn't know him. Tony tries to jog his memory: "This thing of ours..." he says, reminding him that he and Tony's father ran North Jersey. "We did?" he perks up. "That's nice." But then Junior stares into space again and Tony retreats.

Tony is the first to arrive at Holsten's for a family dinner. He sits in a booth and plays a song on the jukebox, watching the door. Carmela enters and joins him, asking about his meeting with Mink. He tells her Carlo's gonna testify and she takes the news with a sigh. AJ arrives next, complaining about the more mundane tasks of his job but quotes old advice from his father: "Try to remember the times that were good." Meanwhile, Meadow struggles to parallel park outside. Customers come and go - a shady looking guy who's been sitting at the counter enters the restroom. Finally parking the car, Meadow runs inside to join her family, just in time for...

Jason the Magnificent - 6-11-2007 at 12:54 PM

and there goes the made up nikki leotardo bit, guy just was a "mystery man"

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-06092007-1360360....

Spoiler - 6-11-2007 at 07:37 PM

I wonder if the dvd box set will include alternate endings ?

I'm gonna watch this episode a couple of more times,and then I'm gonna cancel my HBO.After The Sapranos and Deadwood (that ending sucked big time),there's really nothing else that intrests me.

Jason the Magnificent - 6-11-2007 at 08:11 PM

You really need to get up on The Wire then. As far as HBO shows top 5 I'd go

1. Sopranos
2. The Wire
3. Deadwood
4. Oz
5. Big Love

You need to watch the Wire from the beginning though. Each episode is great in itself but it's too hard to pick up in the middle.

defstarsteve - 6-11-2007 at 09:09 PM

the wire is good as fuck
only "cop" show I watch

Siczine.com - 6-11-2007 at 09:12 PM

Yeah, same here. The Wire is like crack. I would love to see season 5.

JUICE MAYNE MSHC - 6-11-2007 at 09:42 PM

yes The Wire all the way

defstarsteve - 6-12-2007 at 10:10 AM

http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/sepinwall/index.ssf?/base/c...

MikeFromInhuman - 6-13-2007 at 09:07 AM

Sopranos Not Bound for Big Screen
By Gina Serpe
Today at 5:20 am



For fans holding out hope that the polarizing ending to the Sopranos series finale was simply the set-up to a big-screen outing for the first family of crime, creator David Chase has three words for you: Do stop believin'.

The series mastermind turned viewer punching bag has debunked the popular theory that the show's seemingly unresolved ending was meant to serve as a launching pad for an oft-rumored future film, claiming instead that the don's story?though not necessarily the don himself?was all but dead.

"I don't think about [a movie] much," Chase told the Newark Star-Ledger. "I never say never. An idea could pop into my head where I would go, 'Wow, that would make a great movie,' but I doubt it.

"I'm not being coy. If something appeared that really made a good Sopranos movie and you could invest in it and everybody else wanted to do it, I would do it. But I think we've kind of said it and done it."

And then there's the minor issue of Chase and cohorts killing off, in this season alone, many of the key players who would've been expected to appear in a film version of the show. But that hasn't stopped him from toying with a movie idea in the past.

One potential premise, he told the Star-Ledger, was "going back to a day in 2006 that you didn't see." Under that scenario, some of our favorite offed mobsters would still be kicking. But, as Chase observed, there would be some logistical issues. Tony's children, for instance, "would be older than they were [on the show] and you would know that Tony doesn't get killed" so there wouldn't be much suspense.

"It's got problems."

As for that instantly infamous and abrupt final scene, in which Tony Soprano waits at Bloomfield's ice cream parlor for his family to arrive one by one, all the while tension building as suspicious patrons enter and daughter Meadow struggles to parallel park, Chase could care less about "all the Monday morning quarterbacking."

While hundreds of viewers spent their Sunday nights alternately phoning their respective cable companies to complain about shoddy service and cursing Chase's name, the man himself?no fool, clearly?had long since fled the country, having set off for a vacation with his wife in France.

"I have no interest in explaining, defending, reinterpreting or adding to what is there," he told the newspaper of the series-ending, Journey-scored scene. "I hear some people were very angry and others were not, which is what I expected."

"No one was trying to be audacious, honest to God. We did what we thought we had to do. No one was trying to blow people's minds or thinking, 'Wow, this'll [tick] them off.'"

Not that he would change the ending in any way or opt to splice in another of the several final scenes that were filmed.

"People get the impression that you're trying to [mess] with them, and it's not true. You're trying to entertain them."

Which, aside from perhaps one overenthusiastic edit job, he did, for six seasons.

"It's been the greatest career experience of my life," Chase said. "There's nothing more in TV that I could say or would want to say."