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Shirt question (defstarsteve)

defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 10:19 AM

both....
most so called artist send over 72 dpi jpegs and expect miracles
but the art should be either vector or sent at 300 dpi to full scale....
this will keep the dots clean...
as for the shop that printed them it depends on their output device, exposure unit and then the screen mesh they choose to use...
I will post some pics of shirts we have done recently that will make you go huh? how the hell did you do that...

BDx13 - 6-28-2007 at 11:05 AM

people's acceptance of 72dpi resolution in print design is as maddening to me as 128kbps mp3 sound quality. honestly, either is unacceptable.

defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 11:17 AM




this is an improved version of the art sent to me by the customer, it was72dpi crap and this is after I went in and cleaned it up

at the time only had our 4 color press
so I had to figure the best way to do get as much in as I could...
please forgive the following pics as my digital camera at the time was a piece of crap...




full shirt





closer detail



close up on the face


like I said 4 colors simulated process: red, maroon, yellow, white

one of my first attempts at simulated and if I get a reorder I am going to redo the art as we have moved almost completly away from half tones to indexed dots, but more on those later

XHonusWagnerX - 6-28-2007 at 11:21 AM

Thats fucking unreal.... awesome work Steve!!!!

defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 11:23 AM

okay next up another 4 color, again before we had our 10 color....
my fixed version of the customer supplied art....





on the shirt








4 colors white, yellow, brown, and maroon...
again with the shitty digital camera....
the doll looks life like on the real shirt
and very fucking creepy

Jason the Magnificent - 6-28-2007 at 11:25 AM

amazing stuff.

defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 11:26 AM

okay next up is a 10 color
but this one was not so good in my opinion
we didn't quite have a handle on our dota on this one...
this job took 3 days to burn and about 30 attempts on the screens...

there were 2 version of this shirt and the only thing I really liked about them was the money in his hand from the other version




defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 11:29 AM

okay so this is it, probably the best thing we have ever printed, and if I could do it again I would....
10 screens but ended up being 15 colors total
al lthe screens burtn 1st try and set up in about an hour, vs. the 3 days it took me on the other job,
we got better emulsion that is designed for our light source, and we are also using indexed seperations and not halftones....

XHonusWagnerX - 6-28-2007 at 11:31 AM

what band or thing was that shirt with the "Screw" for?

BDx13 - 6-28-2007 at 11:33 AM

that last one is off the hook! roughly, how much more expensive is it to have a 10 color design printed than a 4?

BDx13 - 6-28-2007 at 11:34 AM

steve, do you have Genuine Fractals?
awesome program i imagine you would be able to use daily.

defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 11:44 AM

here is the og art


well the print was a little differnt as far as the background crap and some of the texting...
my version wouldn't upload so I had to use a copy off their site

defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 11:46 AM





we also got a better digital camera as you are about to see
a nice mothers day present to heather and myself

defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 11:47 AM










okay now who is ready for the real deal details????

defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 12:14 PM














defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 12:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
what band or thing was that shirt with the "Screw" for?


it was for a guy who wanted to make dj srew tribute shirts...
he hated them as well....
not nearly as good as I could do now

defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 12:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BD
that last one is off the hook! roughly, how much more expensive is it to have a 10 color design printed than a 4?


thanks
the differance between 10 colors and 4 color prints
100 4 color prints are 5.75 all inclusive
100 10 color prints are 7.25 all inclusive

at jaks prints or contagious they would be about 8.50 a shirt

I wont print 10 colors on less then 100 not worth my time
but basically a quarter more a color...
once we go full auto next year that will proabably drop since the process can be done much faster and easier

the above print took 4 hours 15 total prints on 100 shirts...
do the math....1500 prints, 375 prints an hour

on an auto would have taken about 30 minuts....
damn my broke no credit having ass

defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 01:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BD
steve, do you have Genuine Fractals?
awesome program i imagine you would be able to use daily.


never heard of it but I'll look into it
I use photoshop mostly, just because I still suck at illustrator

BDx13 - 6-28-2007 at 01:35 PM

GF is basically just a scaling app, but it's algorithms kick ass. It works as a "save as" type plug-in for photoshop that allows you to increase an image's resolution by up to 1000%.

http://www.ononesoftware.com/detail.php?prodLine_id=2

defstarsteve - 6-28-2007 at 01:43 PM

yeah I checked into
I might get the whole suite
I like having new tools to play with....
but i'm broke this week, thanks for the info

BDx13 - 6-28-2007 at 02:13 PM

check your email.
lemme know how it goes.

Siczine.com - 6-28-2007 at 05:52 PM

That screw shirt is awesome haha

Siczine.com - 6-29-2007 at 05:06 PM

Steve,
Question. I need shirts done by the 14th for a show. I figured you wouldn't be able to get them done in time and considering its only a 25 run to start off with I'm going to a local shop . I was wondering what way should I save the file onto CD-R. I know it needs to be EPS vector but should it be EPS 1.0 EPS 2.0 or just Photoshop EPS and then after that what are the other specs like TIFF 1bit/pixel or 8bit/pixel and then include color transfer function?

Thanks very much in advance.

defstarsteve - 6-29-2007 at 05:12 PM

you should have asked me, the 14th isn't out of the question...

but I don't deal with .eps that often, if you are saving from illustrator I save them as .ai files....
everyone is different though

best person to ask is the printer you are planning on going to since they know what programs they use...

Siczine.com - 6-29-2007 at 05:48 PM

Well, if I send you the shit tonight...you think it's still a possiblity? I'll send you the file and the money. Just let me know.

BDx13 - 6-29-2007 at 05:59 PM

that's funny , cause when i read the first line, i was like, "hell yeah, steve can get that done in time!"

Siczine.com - 6-29-2007 at 06:09 PM

Quite honestly, I would rather go through him than anyone else. I just thought under such short notice because I know he gets a ton of work.

defstarsteve - 6-29-2007 at 06:09 PM

yeah email it
I'll be out tonight but get you a quote tomorrow
we have had some labor issues lately so turn around has been screwey but we can get stuff out quick

Siczine.com - 6-29-2007 at 06:36 PM

awesome, sent.