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oh well...ive always kinda been on the outside lookin in as far as the "looks" were concerned
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
Theres like this standard formula for the way the music is written for each genre Big D was talking about and theres 1000+ bands for each genre that
conform to this formula and then come up with a "hip" look and catchy name and then claims they arent concerned with the "look" or trend of it all,
but feed right into it. The good bands that are far and few between are the ones that try something new and dont stick to the formula or get involved
in the "look". Alot of people think it has to do with the older guys from the "scene" keeping it pure and real. I think thats bullshit and a perfect
example of this is Agnostic Fronts new album. They wrote a formula back in the day and have decided on this album to adopt a tired ass formula already
beaten into the ground. So "old school" cred is nothing. It's about the music being written, theres no more passion in "hardcore" it's all posturing
now. The good stuff stays hidden and hard to find because it dosent fit the "cool" formula, and I agree it's alot of fun to find those bands, the
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The new AF is them bringing back a style they helped define back in the day. Listen to Liberty and Justice or One Voice and you'll see where the new
one came from.
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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The new AF is them bringing back a style they helped define back in the day. Listen to Liberty and Justice or One Voice and you'll see where the new
one came from.
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I'm sorry dude, I see where your going with this, but it's not the same in my opinion. Those albums were good and the new one isnt that bad for what
it is, but I see them adopting way more of the Metalcore sound now, where as back in the day they may have had the standard hardcore sound with a bit
of metal breakdown here and there, kind of like Sheer Terror. The new album is just pure headbangers Ball type shit.
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Voodoobillyman
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hell they even had Jamey "I have my hands in everything now" Jasta co produce and sing on it. It's just a big change in the mundane direction, again,
in my humble opinion.
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To each their own as they say. I do understand where you're coming from as I've had this discussion with a few people. It's what I thought the first
time I listened to the album. It grew on me from there. Roger's keeping the more oi influenced stuff he writes for the Disasters. I'll still take
the new AF over most new bands.
I think Subzero were way more blatant in changing their sound to fit in with the metalcore crowd. But at least it ain't emo.
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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i have always had a soft spot in my heart for AF, considering they were one of the first Hardcore bands i was into as a youngster. i think the new
record is cool and all but it just doesnt feel like AF when you listen to it. it really does sound like a hatebreed thing. . but then again i really
liked somethings gotta give and riot riot upstart. nothin tops victim in pain or live at cbgb, but then again i really dont want anything to top it
either. i have respect for them for sticking to it . really wish i could have seen them back in the day.
things change
people change
i get older
and i dont get into too much new style stuff
yer right allot of it is too far removed form the original element
but hey
there are the slumlords
and thanks to hearing of em from you guys
that fuckin cd has been on mximum rotation for me since monday
great stuff
i understand whats going on on that cd
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i been listening to alot of nick cave
that dude is hardcore
you come at the king....you best not miss
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JawnDiablo
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do you have The Birthday Party?
theres some nutty shit on that
i think i still have let love in and murder ballads here somewhere
they were using red right hand in movies for a while there
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yeah
some birthday party stuff rules while other stuff of theirs is not so hot
i love me some nick cave solo stuff
love that dude
you come at the king....you best not miss
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
Alot of people think it has to do with the older guys from the "scene" keeping it pure and real. I think thats bullshit and a perfect example of
this is Agnostic Fronts new album. They wrote a formula back in the day and have decided on this album to adopt a tired ass formula already beaten
into the ground. So "old school" cred is nothing. It's about the music being written, theres no more passion in "hardcore" it's all posturing now. The
good stuff stays hidden and hard to find because it dosent fit the "cool" formula, and I agree it's alot of fun to find those bands, the hunt, the
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I definitely agree, the point I was trying to make by bringing
up people who have been around was more that the ones I was talking about (mostly Slumlords) are keeping the feel of the old school while doing
something different. As for Agnostic Front, I still love that band, but I will not be supporting them in their current role as Hatebreed Junior.
Especially not when they should be Hatebreed's angry grampa beating their asses with a belt for fucking up the name of the family. All this has been
said in another thread about that new AF album, but honestly, One Voice was their worst album by far.....until they decided to go back to that sound
and made something even worse.
Veritas odium parit
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Especially not when they should be Hatebreed's angry grampa beating their asses with a belt for fucking up the name of the family. ....
lines like this is why i keep coming back to the thorp boards
beautiful
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Heh, thanks.
Veritas odium parit
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At least I'll always have Murphy's Law.
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Roger's keeping the more oi influenced stuff he writes for the Disasters
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Discipline, I still have alot of respect for AF as do you, and I own the new album, just dont listen to it much. Thank God for the Disasters though, I
love that band , seen em live twice and they dont get old, cant wait for some new stuff.
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I like the Disasters quite a bit but I don't think I'd like them as much if Roger wasn't involved. It's the only reason I checked them out to begin
with.
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I don't think I'd like them as much if Roger wasn't involved
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Hell man, thats the only reason anyone checked em out I think. But it was worth it, and I really do like what they are doing quite a bit.
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What I meant is if the band had come out with exact same songs with an equally good but unknown singer I'm not sure I'd like them as much. It's all
about Roger.
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I never heard the R M and the disasters.
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What I meant is if the band had come out with exact same songs with an equally good but unknown singer I'm not sure I'd like them as much. It's all
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I know it man, I was totally agreeing with you, it would not be the same if it wasnt Roger Miret. Thats the only reason I checked them out and the
main reason I liked them. It was nice to see him going in that direction.
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Rogers vocals on that new AF are rediculous. Sounds like hes trying to sound like Rick to Life who was trying to sound like Roger...his vocals now are
just a big caricature. I mean has anyone seen that pure video (i think its pure) seeing this old weathered dude gurbling out these bizarre sounding
vocals...if I was some kid who had never heard the band and was watching this I would think its a joke band. Watching that was about as uncomfortable
as when you were a little kid and a sex scene came on during a movie you were watching with your parents.
Not to mention the music is such a blatant ploy to turn a buck by sounding like ozzfest hardcore.
I mean AF has always adapted their music to the times...but most of the time, it was trendsetting...now theyre just trying to hop on a trend to stay
afloat. Not that somthings gotta give was this great album...but at least if they would have left off with that they could have went out
semi-gracefully...this new stuff is embarassing.
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I wouldn't say it's their best album, but it's not THAT bad. It has some decent tunes, and it comes off pretty damn good live.
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX@ Club Baby Head. |
Fuck dude! That takes me back so far it almost hurts. Baby Head was the shit. I now live in Asia and I'm thinking how the fuck did I get here.
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