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Voodoobillyman
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the dude was a member of fsu, that dosent mean he deserved to die, but lets face it, most fsu dudes i have met are constantly on this quest to prove
how hard and dedicated they are. just seems like par for the course to me. Steve, i am trying, and your right, its hard as all hell not to give in and
all, fuckin breeders. they fill the world with little armies of kids just as fucked up and dumbshit as themselves. what can ya do?
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Every show I go to here I am thankful I am 10,000 miles from all this bullshit and drama that can turn something you love into something you despise.
I'm not a posi fag, but i'd rather a positive supportive scene full of fun kids than a scene full of wankers out to prove how hard they are.
This is a tragedy, crew/gang member or not ... I know theres assholes in FSU but theres nice guys as well and unless you knew the dude personally you
can't judge it.
Poor guy.
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Voodoobillyman
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I know theres assholes in FSU but theres nice guys as well and unless you knew the dude personally you can't judge it.
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Thats why I said "most" I didnt know him, and I have met a few that were not on a constant warpath to "fuck shit up" All I was saying was that I have
seen those dudes involved in so much bullshit over the years it does not surprise me that a member was shot. I didnt say he deserved it, I said it was
not surprising to hear about. He is not the first member to die because of their violent tendencies and he wont be the last. There is no justification
for his murder unless he was threatening murder or dire bodily harm to someone else and they did it in self defense. I have seen those shitbags take
garden tools to shows (yes garden tools) and proceed to gang up on one or two kids who dared to "dance" while they were "dancing" If it were me, I
would have shot the fuckers too, just me though. Without knowing all the facts there is no way to judge either way, but I do know if it comes down to
you or me, and sometimes it does in these situations, it's you if I have anything to say about it.
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i guess it was only a matter of time
some how we are partially responsible for this tragedy:
http://punknews.org/comments.php?op=showreply&tid=428566&sid...
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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KyleOz
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That was pretty a ignorant statement.
How could someone even come to that assumption?
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Who fucking cares? Their fans are the same sort of moshmetaltrailertards who ruin every show they attend.
NO MORE METALCORE, NO MORE NYHC. Stay the fuck away from my fucking scene.
-Ken
It also a lot easier to talk trash on a whole fanbase when you only sign "- Ken" at the end of rant. At least he could do is not retain anonymity, so
maybe we can stay away from "his" scene.
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XHonusWagnerX
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This story is sickening and you can file it away with reasons why I dont like Hardcore as much anymore. This is a HUGE reason that the thread
"Hardcore Music Today" exists. The fact that something like this can happen at a hardcore show is a huge sign that the hardcore that I knew and loved
is dead.
I remember being a young kid and being scared to get hit by a big guy in the pit. That progressed to people being singled out and attacked for little
to no reason at all or groups of people going to a show just to try and start a riot (Shelter in Cambridge). So now I have to worry about getting
shot!? What the fuck has the world come to?
I think Ill just stay home so I dont to worry that I might be wearing a shirt of a Boston band to a show of a New York band and get beat up over it.
Hardcore is Dead.
| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
RULE!
YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
YOUR FRIEND,
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clevohardcore
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I am suprised this wasn't put up earlier. It was all over lambgoat and they were fucking around with FSU and shit. SOunds like self defense to me and
that kid knew he would get jumped. So instead of running he came pakcing jsut like the FSU dude with the hammer or whatever he had. It's fucked up
none the less. Should have never happened.
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we'll never really know what happened at that show. too much hearsay on the internet.
i doubt it will have much of an effect, but i would hope that this would serve as somewhat of a wakeup call to the hardcore community. get your act
together and realize what's important in life.
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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he has a concealed weapons permit...
and in arizona they don't fuck around with those,
he'll walk...
and fsu will come after him,
and then there will be a big east cost/west coast rivalry, and 2 pac and biggie will both die...
damn our scene is fucked
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I generally try to stay out of commenting on shit like this but I saw a story online today that I thought you might be interested in reading:
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?...
Becky Pallack of the Arizona Daily Star has issued the following report:
It was a scary and tragic night for Tucson teens as a violent crew from the Phoenix area invaded Skrappy's, a local youth hangout.
Before the night was done, one man was dead and several other people were injured.
The identity of the gunman, who was questioned by investigators at the scene, has not been released by police. He is considered an investigative lead
and has not been charged with a crime, said Sgt. Ramon Batista, a Tucson Police Department spokesman.
Dozens of concert-goers were questioned until the early-morning hours Thursday, said Batista, but no arrests have been made in the case.
The fatal shooting was the seventh in the Downtown area this year.
Five bands were playing an all-ages show at Skrappy's, 201 E. Broadway, on Wednesday night.
One of the bands, SHATTERED REALM, a hard-core metal band with ties to violent gang FSU, had been recommended to Skrappy's staff by the other bands,
said Sue Krahe-Eggleston, executive director of Our Family Services, the nonprofit group behind Skrappy's.
But it was quickly apparent something was wrong when, during the band's second song, a group of adults "invaded" the club and started shoving people,
she said.
Skrappy's staff members turned off the music, turned up the lights, called police and forced the fight outside into the parking lot. There, pushing
escalated into a brawl when some of the adults, wearing FSU shirts, grabbed weapons from cars, Krahe-Eggleston said. Someone was hit in the head with
a hammer, another was threatened with a machete, she said.
People, some with injuries, were running out of the building as chaos kicked in, said Batista.
One young man, a regular at Skrappy's, ran to his own car to get away from an assailant who had injured his head and face. But once inside, someone
started smashing his windows, according to witness accounts.
"He was trying to protect himself," Krahe-Eggleston said.
The man, who is licensed to carry a concealed weapon, pulled a pistol from his car, Krahe-Eggleston said.
He fired at least once, striking Ray "Hairy Darrin" Pierson, 27, of Mesa as he assaulted someone else, Batista said.
Pierson died at a hospital, he said.
When police arrived, they found the man with the gun next to Pierson's body, Batista said. Police held the man at gunpoint until he could be detained.
[View photos of the scene outside Skrappy's: Photo#1, Photo#2.]
Police will present the case to prosecutors, who will determine whether the shooting was justified as self-defense, he said.
The violent gang FSU has been in the Phoenix area for a while, but its existence was unknown to local police until the shooting Wednesday.
The gang is linked to hard-core music, which is accompanied by a violent style of dancing.
Pierson identified himself as a member of FSU on a Web site for Team Loco, a Phoenix-area crew that started as a BMX club.
A memorial for Pierson posted on the Team Loco Web site describes him as "our Team Loco/FSU brother." The site shows pictures of Pierson having fun
with friends and encourages members to show sympathy to Pierson's family and lean on fellow members for support.
Efforts to contact the sponsors of the Team Loco Web site were not successful.
Some of the people wearing FSU T-shirts at the concert came with the band from Phoenix, said witnesses and police.
SHATTERED REALM's Web site shows links to FSU, including one band member's FSU tattoo.
Staff members and youths at Skrappy's were shocked and outraged that a gang came into their "safe haven."
Youths who showed up at Skrappy's on Thursday night said their hangout has been a safe place for years.
"Skrappy's is a second home to a lot of kids and sometimes even a first home," said Kali Williams, 16.
"This is the only place I can go to get away from it all," said Josie Tijerino, 15. "And if that's gone, I don't know what I'm gonna do."
Concerts this weekend have been canceled, but Skrappy's doors will be open to youths who want to talk.
"Our greatest concern right now is making sure young people know our doors are staying open," said Kevin Jackson, a staff member. "The people here
will be here for them."
"It's been a relatively trouble-free place," said Officer Chris Wildblood, who patrols the neighborhood and responded to the fight.
"They've taken care of their venue on their own and they haven't needed a lot of police assistance."
Police were called to Skrappy's five other times this year, including one call for an assault victim with a minor injury. The other calls were for
property crimes.
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clevohardcore
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| Quote: | Originally posted by defstarsteve
he has a concealed weapons permit...
and in arizona they don't fuck around with those,
he'll walk...
and fsu will come after him,
and then there will be a big east cost/west coast rivalry, and 2 pac and biggie will both die...
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^^^ HAHAHAHAHA DONNYBROOK vs MADBALL. Terrors Scott Vogel will get booted from Cali and try and come back to NY. Then he will get booted from their.
Try and move to the midwest and get beat up like Dwid or Chubby.
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clevohardcore
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It sucks either way. This shit ain't going nowhere. Now others got to rep their city and up the AZ incident. Its sad. If what was great about hardcore
isn't dead yet its on its last leg. I hate saying it but shit is not the same anymore.
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Voodoobillyman
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"hardcore" is crap now, and has been for a long time,there are a few trying to keep it alive but the effort is futile. let it go, buncha fuckin
morons.
FSU, and all the other crap like it is foolishness for the young, let them have it, I'm too old for this shit, and quite frankly it's boring. If they
want to fuck with people until they are forced to pull guns and kill in self defense, let em. Not much of a loss in my opinion.
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CR83
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I just don't fucking get it? Why there are fights at shows and then knives, hammers and fucking guns?! Makes me so fucking mad. All this shit just
makes me enjoy music more and more by myself vs. heading out to shows. It's all so fucking dumb.
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thedog
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This post shows another reason why the Thorp Board and the people on here are awesome.
When news as unfortunate as this gets posted on here people talk about it with compassion and class, and understand that someone losing there life is
a very unfortunate thing.
Reading some of those other boards linked in this post, and hearing people just totally disrespect this situation. Someone actually said they hoped
the guy that was killed had kids.
what the fuck?
Like Duane said we wont know what really happened, but its unfortunate that someone lost his life over what probably started out as some senseless
violence.
\"thank you very little\"
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CR83
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| Quote: | Originally posted by thedog
This post shows another reason why the Thorp Board and the people on here are awesome.
When news as unfortunate as this gets posted on here people talk about with compassion and class, and understand that someone losing there life is a
very unfortunate thing.
Reading some of those other boards linked in this post made, and hearing people just totally disrespect this situation. Someone actually said they
hoped the guy that was killed had kids.
what the fuck?
Like Duane said we wont know what really happened, but its unfortunate that someone lost his life over what probably started out as some senseless
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Perfectly Said
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GabeTexasGAMC
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First: AZ is really leanent on Guns. So pretty much everyone packs.
Second: When someone is coming at you, with a machete... all bets are off.
And last....
Seriosuly, if you dont have love for Hardcore... Why are you still around?
Why do people try to cling to the last golden thread of memoryof their youth in the hxc scene?
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clevohardcore
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I have no idea. Maybe it has to do with the past and getting old. I feel it sometimes. I look back and think about what it is and will always be for
me, and then we have what its become. I think it is very different. Some things I like and some I don't but all in all its still the same thing I got
into back then. Just the guitars are tuned different. the assholes were always their. Back then they had shaved heads and wore suspenders and white
laces in their boots. Now they have letter tags on their fancy shirts and carry hammers instead of brassknuckles. It's all evolution again thats all.
It happened back then and its all happening again.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by GabeTexasGAMC
if you dont have love for Hardcore... Why are you still around?
Why do people try to cling to the last golden thread of memoryof their youth in the hxc scene? |
Honestly,
I've dropped out of/given up on Hard Core a couple of times already. It's something that has meant so much to me over the years and in all honesty,
saved my life, but it's become something completely different. Every once in a while an amazing band comes out of nowhere and reminds me why this
thing has been so fuckin' important to me, but more often than not I'm overwhelmed by the disgusting joke this scene has become. Much like why I
almost never say anything about having the edge to people that don't already know. It means something to me, but the farce that claims the name now
bears no resemblance to what is in my heart. I can never fully let go, just because there will always be a spark of what it was (or what it truly is)
buried in there somewhere.
Veritas odium parit
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i don't feel like "today's music is different from what it was when i was 15 so it's not hardcore." sure, i'm nostalgic for the old days, but that
was then, this is now.
i kind of think to the hardcore scene like i do skateboarding. both are primarially made up of people of a certain age. like skaters and hardcore
kids are perpetually 13-19; like a window in time. when you're young and you're apporaching that window, it looks great, you're in awe of it and you
can't wait to be part. then by the time youre past the window, you're jaded, maybe a little tired, even critical of it.
but the more time that passes , the more the "scene" changes. in the 80's, ollieing a couple stairs was the shit. now ollieing off of roofs is the
thing to do. same deal with hardcore... steel toe shoes were big when i was a kid. now (apparently) it's hammers and guns. not only can i not ollie
off a roof, but i have no intention going to a show strapped.
does than mean i'm not hardcore? does the fact that i still do 360 bonelesses make me not a skater? i don't know. and really, i don't care. i like
to skate and i like to listen to hardcore, but i really wouldn't consider myself a skater or a hardcore kid, and frankly, the label doesn't matter
anyway.
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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clevohardcore
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"360 bonelesses "
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Nice.
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Voodoobillyman
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I hate the term "scene" it has become a farce. I listen to some music, that people in the "scene" call "hardcore" whatever that means anymore. I do
not go to shows with "hardcore" bands, nor do I wear "hardcore gear" I have distanced myself from something that use to mean alot to me when I was
younger but has become a joke compared to what it used to mean. The last show I went to that could be called "hardcore" was Ramallah with the Unseen
and Brain Failure, and it was all little kids, my friend and I were only two of maybe 10 or so people over 21 and all I saw was kids trying to act
tougher than one another to impress who? Fortunately it hasnt gotten to the point of hammers and guns yet in VA. but I can totally see these pukes
thinking that was cool and "hard" and emmulating it.
"if you dont have love for Hardcore... Why are you still around?"
In answer to this question, I am still around for the music (what little decent music there is left) not for the "scene" if that makes me untrue or a
poser or whatever, who cares, I'm 30 with a family and too busy with real life for the kiddies games.
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BD and Voodoo have made awesome points. I too am that 30 year old guy in the back or by the bar if I go to a show. I'm not in the middle of it and
jumping off of the stage. Hell, I don't even drink at shows anymore. Going to shows is still fun for me. I love the live aspect, the emotions and
the vibe at a live show. I never want to have to worry about who is packing what. I just want to listen to good music and see a fun show. I'm not
in a crew, I'm not dressed up and I'm not showing off my ink when I go either.
I'm a family man who will still go to shows and listen to Hardcore music. I don't know what that makes me but all in all I'm a very happy and lucky
person.
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GabeTexasGAMC
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wierd.
when i think of hxc, i think of our kids... and i forget that most kids in other scenes suck ass.
Our kids are for the most part unspoiled and dont start too much trouble.
Im going on 29, have an awesome family, and am still super saturated in the "scene". booking shows, playing in bands... I love it. I dont think i
could ever stay away. I understand being burnt out on the kids and the scene though. It happens to me once or twice a year. but somthing always
renergizes me, be it a band, or a friend, or a board full of drunks and awesome dudes that makes me rememeber why I do what I do.
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when i think of hxc, i think of our kids... and i forget that most kids in other scenes suck ass
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This is why I have to move to Texas
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